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Yukon Legislative Assembly=

Whitehorse, Yukon

Monday, March 19, = 2018 — 1:00 p.m.

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Speaker: I w= ill now call the House to order.

We wil= l proceed at this time with prayers.

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Prayers

Daily Routine

Speaker: We = will proceed at this time with the Order Paper.

Tributes.

TRIBUTES

In recognition of Dickson Outfitters

Hon. Ms. Frost: It is an honour today to rise and pay tribute to David = and Teena Dickson, two very remarkable individuals who, with their children, Teah and Thomas, successfully operated a family-run outfitting business concession in the Yukon for many years. Dickson Outfitt= ers is synonymous with integrity, environmental ethics and a long history of providing a rich wilderness experience to their clients. Their entrepreneur= ial spirit and incredible work ethic is shown in the diversity of work that they do, including expediting for colleagues and industry and delivering an ethi= cal and world-class Yukon experience filled with their stories for visitors abo= ut the history that they possess from many years of family operations in Yukon — a deep-rooted history in the Yukon.

Visito= rs to the Yukon come via Who What Where Tours. The family fully supports the next gen= eration coming into the industry as can be shown today with their children coming i= nto the industry. They wanted to spark the love of land, animals and history, a= nd this led them to creating the Yukon Guide School, where they take out a gro= up of youth and provide a unique on-the-land experience that instills the valu= es of respect and integrity along with a healthy dose of work ethic.

Their = work does not stop when the outfitting concession is over. Following in the footsteps= of his grandfather Tom Dickson, and his father Dick Dickson, David takes a holistic approach to managing the outfitting concession through predator management. Not only does he operate his own trapline, but he is also the assistant trapper on the neighbouring two Kluane First Nation group traplin= es. This balanced approach has proven satisfactory to support and enhance a hea= lthy ungulate population.

I know= that the Dicksons have promoted this management style to their colleagues in the industry, and it is something that they hold true, based = on their practices of local traditional knowledge and ethical practices.

Since = 2014, Kluane First Nation has entrusted David and Teena as the outfitters to offe= r a world-class hunting experience to clients, a special sheep group-guiding opportunity that is auctioned at the Reno Sheep Show by the Wild Sheep Foundation. This limited edition permit hunt is highly coveted among the world’s sheep hunters, and under Dixon Outfitting management, the val= ue and prestige of the permit hunt has continued to grow.

At the= 2018 sheep show in January, Teena and David were recognized by the Wild Sheep Foundation and their peers in the industry by being awarded the Frank Golata Outstanding Outfitter Award. This prestigious = award recognizes outfitters who have contributed and demonstrated a lifelong commitment to the industry. The award is a tremendous milestone and a true indication of their hard work and success.

These = are just some examples of how they contribute to the lives of Yukoners and visitors. Their work embraces conservation values and shows respect for the land and = its wildlife.

On beh= alf of the Yukon government, I would like to recognize not just this award, but your l= ifetime of contribution to the Yukon. David and Teena have made the outfitting indu= stry and the Yukon a better place. Thank you for your many, many contributions to our society.

Applause

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Mr. Istchenko: I am pleased and proud to rise on behalf of the Official Opposition and the T= hird Party to recognize my friends, Dave and Teena Dickson of Dickson Outfitters= , on winning the Frank Golata Outstanding Outfitter = Award.

As an = outfitter, Frank Golata showed us the way to the wild peak= s and, as a man, the way to love and respect the land and its marvellous creatures. The Frank Golata Outstanding Outfitter Award recognizes a North American outfitter and Wild Sheep Foundation member who outfits primarily for mountain game and whose entire career has exemplified= the honour and dignity of the proud profession of guide outfitting.

I want= ed to read from Dickson Outfitting’s complete website but I don’t have tim= e, so I just want highlight some things from the Dickson Outfitters Ltd. websi= te. The first thing it says: It will provide “Your Hunt of a LifetimeR= 21;, and “100+ years in Yukon." Mr. Speaker, 100-plus years — and that was Thomas Dickson, who first came to the Yukon in 1= 898 as a member of the North-West Mounted Police. After 12 years of service, he left the North-West Mounted Police and moved to the Kluane Lake area with h= is wife Louise George, a Tlingit First Nation woman from Haines, Alaska.

Thomas= Dickson was renowned as one of the first big-game guides and started taking hunters= out on 60-day pack trips in 1902. He was Kluane’s first park ranger, helping to define the borders of the national park that = we know today. Thomas and Louise raised their 13 children at the north end of Kluane Lake. Five of the Dickson children later owned a= nd operating outfitting concessions of their own throughout the Yukon Territor= y.

Buck D= ickson, the eldest son, bought his father’s hunting territory in the early 1940s. When it became necessary to form registered outfitting areas in the Yukon, Buck’s area became concession 10 and Dave’s dad, Richard Dickson, bought this area from his brother Buck. = As Dave says on the website, Richard built one of the most respectful outfits = in the Yukon, which has been carried on by the rest of the family and thatR= 17;s amazing.

I want= to read an excerpt from a letter that was written to the Wild Sheep Foundation nominating Dickson Outfitters for this award. It reads: “What has inspired me most to nominate Dave is his vision and efforts for conservation not only for sheep but all wildlife. In a day of social media, glorification and corporatization, Dave has stayed true to his roots. His number one objective is to do what is best for the health and population of the animals.”

He goe= s on to say: “During my hunt I was fortunate enough to be able to sit down wi= th Dave one on one and have several conversations regarding his outlook and philosophies. One of several efforts that really hit home to me was in 2007 when there was a major die off from a harsh winter. Dave rescheduled or cancelled most of his sheep hunts to help the Dall bounce back. For a man l= ike that, it’s all about quality and not quantity.”

He goe= s on to say: “Another effort that really struck a chord was his involvement to further help the Kluane Sheep Permit hunt in the Kluane Game Preserve and t= he importance around this hunt, the sheep and the conservation that needs to happen.

“= ;One aspect Dave stresses to his guides and hunters is harvesting a Ram is to ta= ke into account the age and how it may affect them for generations. Several ti= me I heard: ‘Leave that 6-8 yr old rams alone&= #8217; since this is their prime breeding ages.”

“= ;For Dave being in the outdoors, living healthy and sharing Yukon’s pristine environment with a few fortunate select people from around the world is more than a rewarding career it is something Dave and his family love to do. They all learn from it every time they are out there in the mountains and do not take it for granted but rather feel as fortunate as his clients did when th= ey traveled with him.”

Then h= e finally summarized, after many accolades about his wife Teena and his kids Teah and Thomas and the hard work that they do: It was refreshing, as a conservationist myself and as hunter, I want to say, that there are still people out there like the Dickson family from Dickson Outfi= tters who put wildlife first.

That i= s a testimony, which is only one of many.

Mr.&nb= sp;Speaker, if you have a chance to watch the video for this, the Wild Sheep Foundation website says it all. I have known Dave and his family for many years. He is= a man of few words, and if you look at the video, when he went up to accept t= he award, he just said “Wow, that was a shocker.” He went on to sa= y a few more things — unbelievable. Dave and Teena and the family are very deserving of this award. They are a community-minded business in Kluane. Th= ey love and respect the land and all it has to offer.

The Dicksons’ business does not end with just guidi= ng. Dave also runs a guide school to prepare young people for a future in guidi= ng. He spends lots of time trapping throughout the winter to ensure that the balance is kept within his concession and beyond to promote sustainable ani= mal populations. Teena stays involved in TIA and continues to be a great spokesperson for the tourism industry from an outfitting and land-based per= spective. This business is a full-time and year-round endeavour. I might add that I always look forward to seeing Dave, Teena and their two kids at the mink ra= nch during the Champagne poker run as they volunteer to run a checkpoint. Also, quite often, I stop by to chat with them at White River.

Congra= tulations to you guys and your family on this award. I see them being in business for many years to come. You are in good hands with Teah and Thomas — although I think the focus might change a little bit tow= ard fishing — maybe fly-fishing, actually. Thank you and have fun at the horse roundup.

Applause

 

Speaker: Are= there any further tributes?

Introduction of visitors.

Introduction of Visitors

Hon. Ms. Frost: I would like to ask my colleagues to please welcome to the Legislative Assembly Donna Dickson — sister to David and Teena — their children and their colleagues. I just want to make note that not only= is Teena — she has a long-rooted history in Yukon. I know that my family= is quite honoured — although we are at both ends of the territory — that our parents are very closely connected, and with Dick Dickson — sharing many stories and passing on traditional practices and all this. We = are really honoured. Teena, thank you so much for your contribution to youth in our community for many, many years.<= /p>

Arctic= Winter Games is happening right now, and I know that has nothing to do with the tribute, but your contribution to youth and your advocacy around your guidi= ng school really brings a lot to encourage young people to get involved in the industry.

Thank = you so much for contribution and welcome.

Applause

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Mr. Istchenko: Also in the gallery today — Gavin Nyland is here and Tim Mervyn, who probably wishes he could have his cowboy hat on — I do too, Tim, but = that is how we roll in this Legislative Assembly — and Glenna Southwi= ck.

Welcom= e to the House today.

Applause

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Mr. Gallina: I am going to take a quick moment to also recognize Teena. She and I worked together at the 2007 Canada Games, and I wanted to speak to her work ethic.= The games are all-consuming, and during the games, when I was still shell-shock= ed, trying to understand and grasp the amount of work that was required to deli= ver a national event, here is Teena who introduces herself to me as a full-time employee, running a business, raising a family and still connected to the c= ity, which had loaned Teena on consignment during these games. It really is a testament to her work ethic and her commitment to her job and the community= .

Applause

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Speaker: Are= there any returns or documents for tabling?

Tabling Returns and Documents

Hon. Ms. McPhee: I rise today as the Minister of Justice to file a legislative return, which is the answer to a question asked on March 15 by the Member f= or Lake Laberge.

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Speaker: Are= there any further returns or documents for tabling?

Are th= ere any reports of committees?

Are th= ere any petitions?

Are th= ere any bills to be introduced?

Are th= ere any notices of motions?

Notices of Motions

Mr. Gallina: I rise to give notice of the following motion:

THAT t= his House supports the Government of Yukon’s decision to use the Canadian Free Trade Agreement exem= ptions to their full extent for the 2017‑18 fiscal year.

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Ms. McLeod: I rise to give notice of the following motion:

THAT t= his House urges the Yukon Liberal government to make funding available to Watson Lake Secondary School in order to provide a stable, permanent surface for their track and field long jump pit to be installed this spring.

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Mr. Cathers: I rise today to give notice of the following motion:

THAT t= his House urges the Government of Canada to publicly consult with Yukoners and all Canadians on any proposed firearms legislation prior to proceeding with it.=

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Ms. White: I rise to give notice of the following motion:

THAT t= his House salute the ingenuity of Dawsonite Kyler Mather = and his unidentified friend for building an ice road across the Yukon River in Dawson City for less than $120,000 and provide reimbursement for their expe= nses of roughly $5.

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Mr. Hutton: I rise to give notice of the following motion:

THAT t= his House urges the Government of Yukon to work with the parties to complete a Peel l= and use plan based on the recommended plan.

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Speaker: Are= there any further notices of motions?

Is the= re a statement by a minister?

This t= hen brings us to Question Period.

QUESTION PERIOD

Question re: Whistle Bend continuing care facility

Ms. McLeod: Regarding Whistle Bend place, the plan was to have 120 beds for continuing care. Then there was going to be a dedicated 12-bed mental health unit, and the rest w= ere going to be set aside for the palliative care unit. However, we have now he= ard that the government has made the decision to open the facility with only continuing care beds. This means that there will be no mental health unit or palliative care unit. These areas obviously would have been identified needs for our health care system, so we’re surprised to hear this. <= /p>

Mr.&nb= sp;Speaker, can the minister confirm whether Whistle Bend place is now going to open wi= th no beds set aside for mental health or palliative care?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I would like to correct the record. The Whistle Bend continuin= g care facility will open in the fall. We are going to open with 150 beds. The objective is to have the specialized care facilities open as scheduled in 2019-20. Rather than having beds vacant in the Whistle Bend continuing care facility, we will open up all of the beds to alleviate the pressures and al= low for the facility to open on time and on schedule and to address some of the shortages in beds.

Ms. McLeod: That’s kind of a surprise, because the information provided to the Official Opposi= tion is that 150 beds were opening this fall for extended care.

Will t= he minister please advise whether or not 150 beds will be open this fall, or 1= 20 beds — as previously announced — with mental health beds and palliative care beds opening in the following year?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I’m happy to say that we are opening 150 beds to address= the shortages that we have had for our aging population. We wanted to ensure th= at we had 150 beds open, not 120. That means that we will phase in the special= ized care in that time frame that we have allotted. So really, I think that̵= 7;s great news for Yukoners.

Ms. McLeod: There seems to be a bit of confusion over these numbers= . I would like the minister to confirm that 150 beds will be open and that they will be full of continuing care patients this fall.

Hon. Ms. Frost: I will give the same answer. It appears that the member opposi= te is not hearing my answer. We are opening 150 beds for the fall, and my objecti= ve is that we will address our waiting list. The opposition pressures us const= antly to look at meeting the demand and we are doing our best to address that. We= are opening up an extra 10 beds at the Thomson Centre. We will phase in the specialized care services at Whistle Bend in the time frame we have committ= ed to.

Question re: Affordable housing

Ms. Van Bibber:<= /span> Last week, we asked the Minister responsible for the Yu= kon Housing Corporation about the lack of action this government is taking on t= he wait-list for social and seniors housing in the Yukon. The wait-list has gr= own from 105 people in July 2016 to 263 currently. When we asked what specific actions the Liberals had undertaken to reduce this wait-list, the minister responded — and I quote: “We have spent upwards of $150 mi= llion on opening up the Whistle Bend continuing care facility. We have opened up extra beds at the Thomson Centre.”

Does t= he minister believe that expanding continuing care beds will reduce the wait-l= ist for social and seniors housing? If so, by how much?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I am really happy to respond to the question from the Member f= or Porter Creek North. Whatever approaches we take to alleviate the pressures = are good approaches. We work with our partners. We recognize that accessible and affordable housing is an issue for our territory and we are working with our partners and other levels of government to address this issue. As stated in answer to the question that was asked last week, we budgeted over $40 = million to address housing needs, including land development, affordable housing and seniors housing. All of that will help to address affordable housing, not to mention that we are in the process of implementing the housing action plan = and putting resources around that.

Ms. Van Bibber:<= /span> As was just mentioned by the minister, we are investing= $40 million in housing and land development to address Yukon’s housing needs.

We too= k a look at the price of the new lots that the government announced that it was open= ing in Whistle Bend. They range in price from $130,000 to $210,000. Does the minister believe that selling a $200,000 vacant lot in Whistle Bend will re= duce the wait-list for social and seniors housing. If so, by= how much?

Hon. Mr. Streicker= :It is the Department of Community Services that does the land development of Whistle Bend. What I will respond to is that there is a spec= trum of housing needs. As we have seen in the past — for example, in 2008 — if we aren’t sure to keep all avenues of that spectrum moving ahead, then it causes backlogs in other areas. In 2008, there was a shortag= e of lots available here in Whitehorse, and that ended up pushing up housing pri= ces. Those housing prices went up, and that in turn pushed the price of affordab= le housing for those people who are trying to enter into the market.

It is = important to address all aspects, and I’m happy to say that we are investing $1= 5 million in land development in Whistle Bend and that will be done on a cost recovery basis. I think that there is a lot of demand for those lots.

Ms. Van Bibber: We asked this question last week and didn’t get an answe= r, so I will ask again and give the minister another chance to provide a response= to those 263 Yukoners waiting for social and senior housing.

Can th= e Minister responsible for Yukon Housing Corporation point to one tangible example of something she has done in the last six months to reduce the wait-list, and = have these actions actually reduced the wait-list?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I do want to highlight that the Yukon Housing Corporation has aligned itself very nicely with the community. We have worked with the Da <= span class=3DSpellE>Daghay Development Corporation to open up some new facilities. We are addressing approaches to the housing needs in Yukon. We = are focusing our efforts on rural Yukon, as noted in our budget. We aim to meet= the demand for social housing and affordable housing. We have increased our investment in rent supplements and are supporting the development of afford= able housing options for Yukoners in the private market through our construction loan and grant programs.

Our so= cial housing wait-list has changed monthly and, recently, applicants in Whitehor= se — sure, we have seen a higher demand, but we’re also seeing hig= her demands in Watson Lake and Dawson City. We’re putting our efforts out into rural Yukon. One way that we are addressing increased housing needs is= to provide 30 rent supplements over three years to the Da Daghay Development Corporation and to River Bend housing complex. We are looking at addressing affordable housing programs over the years and have also looked = at partnerships through continued municipal matching grants and other initiati= ves like that.

Question re: Affordable housing

Ms. Hanson: This government talks a lot about their support for elders and seniors, about ag= ing in place with dignity. We have also heard the government’s words about the need for safe and accessible seniors housing. Meanwhile, in the real wo= rld, the elevator at Closeleigh Manor is broken down once again. This is not the first time and this is not the only seniors resi= dence where elevators have been out of commission for prolonged periods of time. = This is a major challenge for many residents and it raises serious safety concer= ns.

Closel= eigh is a three-storey building with multiple units on each of the second and third floors. Individuals and couples reside in these units and pay their rent to Yukon Housing Corporation. They expect their units to be accessible. Some r= esidents are effectively homebound because the elevators do not work.

Does t= he minister think it is reasonable that the elevators in Yukon Housing Corporation’s apartment buildings break down with such regularity?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I would like to thank the member opposite for raising t= his really great question because obviously it is a concern for this government= as well. The elevator that is in Closeleigh Manor is over 30 years old. We recognize that we do need to take some alternative approaches to ensure tha= t we provide services to those who have mobility challenges.

So we = are working with the department and working with Highways and Public Works, and= we are attempting to address the situation as quickly as we can, but there is = also consideration for replacing the elevator so that we can alleviate this in t= he future.

Ms. Hanson: The elevator at 22 Waterfront is five years old and is out frequently. Over the weekend, I was notified by a family member of an 83-year-old elder who trip= ped and fell in the stairwell, breaking her ankle while climbing to her third-f= loor apartment. The ambulance attendants were required to carry the individual d= own the stairs from the third floor. This is not the first time they have had t= o do this. In fact, this was the fourth recent event requiring EMR staff to carr= y a resident down from the third or second floor in that one building. I don’t need to point out how dangerous this is for the individual or f= or the staff.

This i= ndividual will now be required to stay in hospital in acute care until there is safe access to their home, when really, they should be in the comfort of their o= wn home and receiving the necessary support required from home care support workers and nurses.

Does t= he minister think that it is reasonable for not only seniors and elders to try= to safely navigate the stairs to their homes but also home care workers, nurses and ambulance attendants as well?

Hon. Ms. Frost: Yes, I am aware and I do appreciate that there are challenges = and that it is a significant challenge to navigate, personally having had first-hand experience with elderly patients myself in my own community and = here in the city. I do spend a lot of time in the care facilities and I have spe= nt time at Closeleigh Manor. I have gone out to the communities and to the care facilities and tried to address some of the concerns that are out there, wo= rk with the staff and just look at major challenges.

Of cou= rse, the elevator and the repairs that are needed will be done as quickly as they can be. We are currently working with a certified technician to get that repair= ed and resolved. We are looking at some alternative policies so that when we h= ave had seniors with mobility challenges, we have given them an opportunity to = move to the ground-floor level where there is easier access and better accessibility, trying to adapt accordingly, given their location. They have= a choice also of moving into other residences that allow for that service to = be better aligned with their needs. We are working with home care staff as wel= l to ensure that the options are given to them for services and supports.=

Ms. Hanson: If only that were the case. So many seniors are denied the opportunity to move= .

Other = seniors continue to experience unreliable and often non-functioning elevators in Yu= kon Housing buildings. This leads to unsafe situations for the seniors, creates unnecessary stress for those individuals living in these residences and for family members who are left to cope when emergencies occur. We have heard f= rom family members and they’re appalled at these situations.

It is = one thing to talk about aging in place, but it is entirely another thing when a senio= r or elder is unable to access their own home in a safe manner. It is unacceptab= le for elders and seniors to have to worry about being able to safely exit the= ir homes in an emergency event like a fire. Non-functioning elevators in any <= span class=3DGramE>seniors residences are unacceptable.

When w= ill this government put in place a contract for elevator maintenance and repair that demands that a reliable and capable contractor be located in Whitehorse so = we don’t have to wait until people fly in?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I really thank the member opposite for bringing this specific = issue to our attention. Building safety and the safety of our seniors, staff, employees and the public is of the utmost importance to this government = 212; as I’m sure it was in the past.

I will= tell the member opposite that in my short time on this portfolio, I’ve learned that elevator maintenance is a long-standing problem in this territory. It = is very difficult to maintain elevators in this territory because of the way elevators are licensed and installed. This is an ongoing problem. I know my colleagues on the far side of the House probably had similar difficulties w= hen they were in office, but that doesn’t diminish the fact that this is a very serious issue.

Highwa= ys and Public Works has completed a comprehensive five-= year capital plan for building maintenance projects. This plan will continue to evolve as emerging needs are identified. That plan will do triage so that w= hen there are issues like the one the member opposite has brought to our attent= ion, we will then turn our attention to it and try to resolve it.

Certai= nly, there is no way that this government wants our seniors walking up and down steps = when they should be taking an elevator. I can assure the member that we will do = our utmost to get that elevator fixed as quickly as possible, recognizing how difficult it can be to get proper elevator maintenance staff to Whitehorse.=

Question re: Energy supply and demand

Ms. White: In 2015, after years of delay, the previous government adopted an independent power production policy. The policy was widely criticized, mainly because it allowed for larger projects to use LNG — a fossil fuel — as a source of energy, when the whole point of the IPP is to encourage the production of renewable energy.

During= the last election, the Liberals promised to remove LNG from the IPP policy. So can t= he minister tell Yukoners if LNG has been removed from the independent power production policy?

Hon. Mr. Pillai: There are two separate streams that are addressing the questio= n from the Member for Takhini-Kopper King. First is the collaborative effort that = is being undertaken by multiple ministers on the renewal of the energy policy = that goes back to, I think, the 2009 energy policy, which is being updated. Our committee is working with Environment, Community Services, Economic Develop= ment and a series of technical officials to update the energy policy where that = can be addressed.

The se= cond part is that we have publicly stated that we’re looking at October or Nove= mber as our deadline to have our IPP legislation in place — so more along = the lines of November, I believe. Certainly, the government officials have committed to me that we’ll have that work near the end of the year. So that’s the time frame.

We cer= tainly have no interest in bringing LNG into an IPP policy. We’re really loo= king directly at renewables right now. Our communities are undertaking a series = of projects. We’ll be coming in to share that good news in the Legislati= ve Assembly as we have MOUs signed with almost every one of those communities — as well as funding agreements in place, which we’ll also be sharing with the Legislative Assembly over the next month.

Ms. White: I’m hopeful then that LNG won’t be included in that power production poli= cy when it does come forward.

Let me= turn to the 2016 Yukon energy resource plan. The plan includes the purchase of a th= ird gas engine at Whitehorse’s LNG facility in 2019, and the Energy Corporation plans to invest in a 20-megawatt diesel facility in 2021. Even though the Energy Corporation recognizes that Yukoners ranked environmental protection as the top criteria when considering new energy, there are no new government-led renewable energy generation projects on the horizon.<= /p>

Does t= he minister stand by the Yukon Energy Corporation’s plan to invest = millions in diesel and LNG infrastructures when Yukoners are asking for action on renewable energy?

Hon. Mr. Pillai: I appreciate the question from the member opposite. It was interesting — just this afternoon, I was reading through the Renewable Energy — Yukon leading= the way document that was handed out by Yukoners Concerned. It was nice to = be able to go through the document from front to back and almost be able to check o= ff every area of interest that we are actually undertaking. We will be coming = back to the Legislative Assembly to go through, line by line, and explain how we= are addressing that.

Over a= nd above that, Mr. Speaker, when we look at the integrated resource plan, it is narrow to just ask that one question. First of all, there were three separa= te scenarios depending on load, and there was a series of options that were pu= t in place. What we have done in the interim is to take into consideration that = we are trying to align our long-term vision for clean energy in our platform w= ith the IRP. What we have done in the interim is — if anybody drives by Y= ukon Energy, they will see four separate sea cans. They are two-megawatt sea can= s. We have leased capacity in the interim — or rented leased capacity in= the interim — as we look at other options that we can use by partnering w= ith community members — projects such as the Haeckel Hill project, or wor= king with Carcross/Tagish First Nation on Montana Mountain. Really, it’s giving other people the opportunity to produce clean energy.

Those = are a series of items we are taking into consideration. I will add that I was a m= onth into the job when that plan was finished, so there is a lot to discuss about that.

Ms. White: Yukoners are looking for Yukon government-led renewable energy projects. The fact is that we are burning more fossil fuels than ever. This last December, the LNG generators that were sold to Yukoners as backup power were on every single = day. LNG is still a part of the IPP policy and Yukon Energy is planning to inves= t millions more in LNG and diesel capacity.

This L= iberal government has shown no interest to invest in renewable energy projects that they are in charge of in the foreseeable future. The words “climate change” did not even appear once in the Premier’s budget speech= .

How is= this government’s track record on renewable energy any better than its Yuk= on Party predecessor?

Hon. Mr. Pillai: There is a lot to unpack there but, contrary to what my friend across the way is saying, we are committed to a series of different items. = IPP, as was stated in the first question, is a key item. There were a couple of statements made — or a couple of points within those questions — concerning things that the member opposite believes are going to happen or = are taken for granted.

What w= e are doing is taking a look at the IRP, which is a blueprint with three separate scenarios. We are working with our community partners, which is what many Yukoners are saying that they want to see done. We are taking a look at what our short-term and our long-term solutions are. Inevitably there will be so= me investment in the short-term to ensure that people have their lights on and their homes heated. In the long-term, we are working on a bilateral agreeme= nt with the federal government that we are working to bring to fruition where = we can look at a long-term strategy that focuses on renewable energy.

Question re: Mental health services

Ms. McLeod: Two weeks ago, I asked the Minister of Education about mental health support in Watson Lake schools, and whether or not communities are receiving the same standard of support as Whitehorse.

In res= ponse, the Minister of Health and Social Services got up and provided an answer that w= as somewhat unrelated to this question, and in that response she said: “= The supports that are in Watson Lake right now — I am happy to report tha= t, in the next week, the community of Watson Lake is opening up its mental wellness hub.”

I did = not see or hear of any government press release announcing the opening of the mental wellness hub last week. Can the minister confirm whether or not the mental wellness hub opened in Watson Lake last week?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I am happy to say that the focus of the department is r= eally to look at mental wellness and substance abuse programs in our communities.= The mental wellness hub really aligns with that. We are looking at innovative initiatives in our communities — Watson Lake being one. We have align= ed to the needs of Watson Lake based on what we were hearing from the community — feedback from the community. We look at prevention and education. We look at counselling services and child, youth and family services. <= /p>

I was = happy to respond to the question that was asked of the Minister of Education and to provide further background with respect to the work that we are doing in the communities. We did say that we would open up the facility this past week. = That did not happen due to scheduling. This Friday, we are going to open up the facility on a formal basis.

Ms. McLeod: I have looked at the Health and Social Services website= and was not able to find anything related to the mental wellness hub in Watson = Lake or anywhere else.

Can th= e minister tell us how local residents can get information and how they will be notifi= ed about the mental wellness hub and the services that they can access through= it?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I am happy to provide the member opposite with the graph again= . I believe it was provided previously but we can provide further information. =

If you= go on the Health and Social Services website, you will find some information on there= . I will be happy to respond directly. We have some contact information in Wats= on Lake. There is a facility in Watson Lake that has staff and is open to the public. Obviously, we are there to provide support and to provide appropriate progr= ams and services. The member opposite is welcome to attend the opening of this = new hub facility on Friday, March 23.

Ms. McLeod: That is great, Mr. Speaker. That’s just grea= t. I would hope that the people who are expected to use the services would know = what those services are and would know how to find information on those services= in order to access them.

Again,= will the minister tell us how this information is going to get out to those people w= ho are looking forward to these services? Further, how many new mental health positions is this going to bring to the community of Watson Lake?

Hon. Ms. Frost: I’m happy to respond to the question. We do our utmost to provide transparent and open dialogue with our community members. I have be= en to Watson Lake a few times — I have worked with the community. I have worked with the Liard First Nation and the Town of Watson Lake. We will continue our best efforts there to provide the timely services that are nee= ded — specialized services.

In Wat= son Lake, we have social workers; we will have two mental health wellness counsellors= , a clinical counsellor and a mental health nurse. We will work in collaboration with our health centre in Watson Lake. We will work in collaboration with o= ur services in Whitehorse. It is very easy to get the dialogue out to the community. If there is input that is further needed from the member opposit= e, we might be able to perhaps branch out further. I would be happy and open to some of the concerns that are being raised — so really open to that feedback if necessary on what we could do better because we are always open= to that.

Our ai= m and desire is to provide as open and transparent services as possible. If it is not getting out there, please let us know and we will do our best to address the concerns.

Question re: Affordable housing

Ms. Van Bibber: Last week, in response to a question about how much funding is allocated for affordable housing in the communities, the Minister responsib= le for the Housing Corporation said — and I quote: “On the question with respect to affordable housing, we have identified significant resource= s in the budget. I would be happy for us to go through that when we have direct discussions on the mains. Currently, as I indicated, we have $40 milli= on allocated overall in the budget.”

Mr.&nb= sp;Speaker, page 1 of the budget highlights indicates there is only $6 million set= aside in this year’s budget for affordable housing.

Could = the minister clarify how much money is actually set aside for this year’s budget for affordable housing?

Hon. Mr. Silver: Again, taking part of the quote — I will continue —= ; and this is in all of our binders that we have budgeted over $40 million t= his year to address housing needs, including land development, affordable housi= ng and seniors housing. So we do recognize that accessible and affordable hous= ing is an issue in the territory and we are working with our partners and other levels of government to address this. In the coming weeks, we will even have more details about projects and initiatives that will be relieving housing pressures in the Yukon.

Ms. Van Bibber:<= /span> If the $40 million is for all of the affordable ho= using, can the member opposite tell me how many are for affordable housing for low-income Yukoners and seniors?

Hon. Mr. Silver: So again, $40 million is in this year’s budget to a= ddress housing needs, including land development, affordable housing and seniors housing. Again, the breakdown that our Minister of Health and Social Servic= es and Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation wa= s speaking about is for Committee of the Whole. We would be happy to go throu= gh the line items as we take over that $40 million figure into those different pockets, which — we’ll state again for the record = 212; are for addressing housing needs, including land development, affordable housing and seniors housing.

Ms. Van Bibber: I don’t think that answered the question — it̵= 7;s still very vague — $40 million is a lot to cover all of those un= its. We had $6.6 million assigned to one of the Challenge housing projects = and we’re still looking for a cost estimate for affordable housing units.=

Hon. Mr. Silver: I didn’t hear a question at that third supplementary; I = heard a statement. Again, we are happy to take that $40 million and dive dow= n to it in each department and we hope the members opposite will use the opportu= nity during Committee of the Whole to get those line items out. We are happy to discuss the $40 million that we have addressed to the different areas.= It is just that, in a minute and 30 seconds, you don’t have an awful lot= of time to go into all of the line items for such a big project such as a $40&= nbsp;million line item, including housing needs, land development, affordable housing and seniors housing. There is not enough time to go through all of that stuff in Question Period.

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Speaker: The= time for Question Period has now elapsed.

We wil= l proceed to Orders of the Day.

Orders of the Day

Government Bills

Bill No. 18: Order of Yukon Act — Second Reading

Clerk:<= /b>Second reading, Bill No. 18, standing in the name of the = Hon. Mr. Silver.

Hon. Mr. Silver: I move that Bill No. 18, entitled Order of Yukon Act, be now read a second time.

Speaker: It = has been moved by the Hon. Premier that Bill No. 18, entitled Order of Yukon Act, be now read a = second time.

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Hon. Mr. Silver: I’m very pleased to rise today to introduce second reading for the Order of Yukon Act<= /i>. I believe that we can all agree that Yukoners are a remarkable group of peopl= e. Each of us in this Legislature has witnessed how the privilege of knowing — or have heard of someone who has done something remarkable that has= , in some way, enriched all of our lives. That is why in January at the Commissioner’s New Year’s Levee I made the announcement that we will be tabling legislation to create the Order of Yukon. It is absolutely a privilege to speak to that legislation’s second reading today.

This f= ramework will support the Order of Yukon program, which seeks to recognize all of th= ese Yukoners who have made our territory so unique, those whose inner compass h= as guided them to a place that elevates all of us, the ones who seldom look at= the self first and actually look at it secondarily.= This speaks to the first of three principles that have guided the creation of th= is legislation and that is high achievement. The establishment of the order is= a means for us to formally recognize those deserving individuals. It’s a tangible and lasting expression of gratitude and thanks. These contributions may be found in the areas from sports to First Nation governance, environme= ntal stewardship, the arts, heritage and cultural development, business and volunteerism or the support of our seniors or our youth. The list is absolu= tely endless.

Before= I discuss the structure and the functioning of the order, I do want to take time to acknowledge the former Commissioner Doug Phillips. In one of our first meet= ings that I had as Premier, he made an impassioned case for the creation of the Order of Yukon.

He rec= ognized that the territory was in need of an honour that ranks in the order of precedence alongside the orders of others provinces and territories. Without his advocacy to both this government and the previous one, I would not be speaking about this legislation here today. One of the elements of building= the Order of Yukon was receiving input from Yukoners.

At thi= s point, I do want to acknowledge the work of the previous government on engaging Yuko= ners on their views of the order. During that process, 237 individuals offered feedback during an online engagement process in which they indicated that t= hey wanted to see a high standard of achievement recognized. They also expressed support for the creation of an order that is non-political, with a preferen= ce toward excluding elected officials from receiving the order while they hold office. That is the basis for the second key principle used in the developm= ent of this legislation. None of the MLAs in the Legislature today, for example, are eligible — nor are elected First Nation chiefs, councillors of Fi= rst Nations or municipalities, mayors or judges — as long as they are in office.

We car= ried out this apolitical and non-partisan thinking into how we approached the framew= ork for the advisory council, which will be established to review nominations a= nd make appointment recommendations. One of the first steps was to meet with t= he Council of Yukon First Nations to seek their advice on how to offer their guidance in selecting a First Nation representative on the council. In addi= tion to the First Nation representative, the council will be made up of Yukon’s Senior Judge, the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, the president of Yukon College, the Cabinet secretary, and up to two appointees from the Commissioner’s Office. Of all the provinces and territories, ours will be the only order whose advisory council explicitly reserves a se= at for indigenous representation. I believe this reflects our unique relations= hip with First Nations.

The Co= mmissioner who is in office will be the chancellor of the order and will automatically become a member for life. The administration of the order, meanwhile, will = be the responsibility of the Commissioner’s Office. They will be named secretary of the order and will manage all operations including communicati= ons, managing applications, calls for nominations, supporting the chancellor and= the advisory council, and making arrangements for the ceremonies. Should this b= ill receive assent, the Executive Council Office will work with the Commissioner’s Office to establish operational and program details, w= hich include community outreach efforts, an application package and nomination guidelines as well.

There = will be two classes of membership for the Order of Yukon: regular and honorary. Reg= ular membership will be open to long-term Yukoners who are Canadian citizens, and the honorary memberships will be non-Yukoners — or even non-Canadian citizens — who have nonetheless made a significant contribution to our territory. Membership in the Order of Yukon will mean that the individual is part of an exclusive group. There will be a limit on the number of people w= ho will become members each year. For regular members, up to 10 people will be= come members in the first two years, with up to three each year after that. Hono= rary membership will be limited to one per year. Those who are inducted into the order will be members for life.

Much o= f what we are doing here is consistent with other provinces and territories and their orders. This was our third guiding principle, Mr. Speaker, and it is reflected in the structure of the act and the membership limits that I have outlined.

We wan= t the Order of Yukon to be of a standard that equals similar awards across the country. In Canada, the order of precedence lays out the hierarchy of honou= rs, awards and decorations, and we want to do everything possible to make sure = that the Order of Yukon joins the 10 provincial orders that are currently includ= ed.

Although the individuals in our territory who have done so muc= h to push us forward and to enrich everyone’s quality of life have never d= one so to receive recognition, we — each of us in this Legislative Assemb= ly, and each successive generation here in Yukon — all stand upon their shoulders. We can see and acknowledge the = change that they have brought, and we must take these steps together to applaud th= em on a level that is consistent with other provincial and territorial orders.=

Imagin= e if we had been able to recognize Elijah Smith or Martha Black with an Order of Yu= kon in their lifetimes — two of the many who have shaped our territory. I= t is my hope that soon we will be able to do so for those who follow in their footsteps.

We are= the last jurisdiction in Canada to create such an honour. It has been a long time coming, but I am very eager for us to begin this debate, and I invite all members here today to join me in recognizing the value of this effort and of those of our territory who have done so much for our benefit.

I do w= ant to conclude by again thanking government officials and caucus, and others who = have looked at all the other jurisdictions in Canada to make sure that we use be= st practices right across Canada for this process. It is interesting to note t= hat in most other jurisdictions, either through the advisory council makeup or through the decision on appointment of the order, Cabinet or Premier is pre= tty much a standard of the recognition. In certain jurisdictions, like British Columbia, two persons are appointed by Cabinet; in Saskatchewan, five people are appointed by the Premier; and in Manitoba, up to six persons are appoin= ted by Cabinet. In a lot of different jurisdictions, the advisory councils recommend to the Premier or to Cabinet. We have decided that we want to make this as non-partisan as possible, because to have a council through the Commissioner making these recommendations, to us, is the smartest thing to = do, because it takes partisan politics out of the situation and we can focus mo= re on the good work of the individual Yukoners who will be proud to be called = to the Order of Yukon.

With t= hat, Mr. Speaker, I want to thank you for my ability to speak to second rea= ding and open the floor to comments from the opposition.

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Mr. Kent: I would like to thank the Premier for bringing the Order of Yukon Act forward, and the Official Opposition is in support of this.

I too = would like to take this opportunity to thank former Commissioner Phillips and former Premier Pasloski for the work that they both put into moving this forward in their respective positions.

I̵= 7;m not going to spend a lot of time here today, but I do look forward to seeing the act move through this Legislature and be voted on in due course.

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Ms. Hanson: On behalf of the Yukon New Democratic Party, I rise to say that we’re pleased to see the establishment of the Order of Yukon. I do know that form= er Commissioner Phillips had made it clear that he saw this as a priority. To = see recognition of Yukoners in a manner that is commensurate with what we see across the country with the Lieutenant Governors’ orders — look= ing back, we can see that it has been just less than 40 years since Alberta put= in place the Order of Alberta in 1979. Subsequently, across the country, Lieutenant Governors have the opportunity, as our Commissioner will now hav= e, to provide a profile and a recognition to Yukon’s citizens — as well as to those who may wish they were citizens but aren’t, but who = have contributed in some way — whose excellence has left a lasting legacy = in our territory and in Canada. The focus on the non-partisan nature of the Or= der of Yukon is also to be commended.

We ant= icipate that, over time, the recipients of the Order of Yukon will form a collective mosaic of Yukon’s finest citizens, whose contributions have shaped and will continue to shape Yukon’s history and our place in Canada. These citizens will come from all walks of life, as the Premier has outlined, and from all sectors — from community leadership, the arts, business and industry, the volunteer sector, professional and research sectors, to name a few. What they will hold in common is their service with distinction and excellence in whatever their field of endeavour is, in a manner that benefi= ts Yukon and/or brings credit or honour to our territory.

We can= think of nothing more befitting than that in order to see those achievements and the honour that we share collectively through the recognition of these individu= als through the Order of Yukon. It is a very important step. We also look forwa= rd to — as the order is established — the development of the insig= nia that will be something special to signify who those recipients are. It̵= 7;s my understanding that this insignia is still under development.

As I s= aid when we were doing the briefing, I think that the only comment is that it would = be slightly maybe off the wall that if you look at the initials, it’s OY= . If you have ever gone to an Australian football or rugby game, it’s “oi, oi, oi”. I just want to avoid that one. All in all, we’re pleased to see the establishment of the Order of Yukon. =

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Hon. Ms. Dendys: I am very happy to rise today to discuss the Order of Yukon Act that the Premier has brought forward.

As has= been noted, the bill will create the Order of Yukon, which will recognize those individuals who have demonstrated excellence and achievement and who have m= ade outstanding contributions to the social, cultural and economic well-being of the Yukon and its residents. I’m really happy to hear the support from the Official Opposition and the Third Party today in their comments.

This s= hould be a very easy bill to pass in this House.

It wil= l be the highest honour of our territory, and I believe it is important to create su= ch an honour. In fact, I believe this level of recognition is very long overdu= e, as we have heard here today from the other speakers.

I am a= born and raised Yukoner, and I’m proud to call the territory my home. I have s= een a lot of change over the years, but the Yukon has always been — and c= ontinues to be — a very special place. Its natural beauty is well known and we= ll documented and continues to inspire. Its natural resources are abundant and attractive and continue to be discovered. Its history is world renowned and culturally diverse and continues to be written.

But wh= at really makes Yukon special is its people, who continue to be = our most sacred resource. The people of this land — whether they are newcomers, lifelong or have ancient ties to the land — make our Yukon unique. There are so many people who have contributed to the rich fabric of= the Yukon — from chiefs to elders, teachers to mentors, visionaries to leaders, trappers and hunters, fishers and farmers, prospectors, poets, pioneers, pilots, painters, performers and, yes, even politicians.

I thin= k about significant people who have passed on now, like the architects — and = they have already been mentioned here today, but I will mention them again ̵= 2; of self-governance: Elijah Smith, Harry Allen and, most recently, Mike Smit= h. Storytellers and cultural teachers like Annie Ned and Angela Sidney, and my= own mother, Thelma Norby, who was an amazing woman,= a pioneer on so many fronts — from business development to just deep kindness shown in so many ways. She was always there to help everyone in ne= ed. She started the very first hot lunch program in the Yukon schools because it was needed and it made a difference, and it was deserving of recognition. Of course, my uncle John Edzerza, who served Yukon= ers for many years — he is the reason we have schools like the Individual Learning Centre and a land-based healing facility at Jackson Lake. All of t= hese people were deserving of the Order of Yukon. The= re are so many colourful characters in our Yukon Territory that paint the picture = of Yukon as we see it today. That is why this bill is important. It acknowledg= es the fact that what really makes Yukon a magical and inspiring place is the people who have devoted their lives to it, the people who have invested the= ir passion and shared their love of this place with all Yukoners for the benef= its of all Yukoners. It is time that we recognize the contribution of these ama= zing people and honour their role in the history of o= ur territory.

I wish= my parents and grandparents were alive to see the Order of Yukon being created, and I believe they would be proud to see us bringing this forward to honour those who have made the Yukon what it is today. It will also allow us to ho= nour those who will contribute to Yukon in the future, as we continue to tell our remarkable story. We owe a great deal of thanks to these people. The Order = of Yukon will allow us to express our gratitude to Yukoners while they are sti= ll with us.

I than= k the Premier for introducing this bill, and I too acknowledge our former Commissioner Phillips for making this a priority and bringing it forward to= us. I’m so happy to offer my support today.

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Mr. Gallina: I would also like to thank the Official Opposition and Third Party for expres= sing their support of this bill and the Premier for introducing it to members he= re in the House today.

I̵= 7;m pleased to rise in the House today as we enter second reading of Bill No. 18, Order of Yukon Act. I’m not going to take too much time. I have a personal story that I wanted to share. I wanted to bring some relevance to constituents to whom I have talked about this.

Before= I speak about the bill before the House today, I wanted to touch briefly on the pro= cess for bills because, when I’m talking with constituents about legislati= ve proceedings, often it’s difficult to relate to how the proceedings of this House impact them as Yukoners.

Beginn= ing in grade 5, Yukon students are taught about government processes, including the key roles within provincial, territorial and federal governments, the responsibilities of the various levels of governments, government decision-making, structures and forms of rule, among other topics. The democratic process of government is an important area for Yukon students to explore. This includes how matters of importance to citizens may be introdu= ced, debated and finalized as bills here in the House.

In thi= s case, with the Order of Yukon Act, th= ere is a significant amount of relevance to Yukoners. A bill follows a series of s= teps on the way to becoming a new piece of legislation. The first step in the process of legislating the Order of Yukon took p= lace on March 5, 2018 when Bill No. 18 was introduced, or tabled in this Ho= use, by the Hon. Premier. Today, we move on to the second step in this proc= ess, which is to debate the bill before second reading. Once second reading has passed, the bill will be deferred to Committee of the Whole on second readi= ng before it returns to the House for a final vote on third reading. A bill th= at passes third reading then goes to the Commissioner for royal assent. Once r= oyal assent is given, the bill is determined to be fully passed and then may be referred to as an act or statute. The Order of Yukon is the bill that is up= for debate today, and key elements of the order will be outlined for the benefi= t of Yukoners.

Yukon = is the only Canadian jurisdiction currently without an order. Public engagement wi= th Yukoners revealed that they want a mix of quality and quantity in assigning awards to outstanding Yukoners. The Order of Yukon will be the highest hono= ur in the territory. It is a new Commissioner’s award that will recognize contributions by Yukoners in areas such as sport development, art, business= and academics, as well as through acts of bravery. Once Bill No. 18 passes royal assent, the Order of Yukon will be one of three awards given out by Yukon’s Commissioner — the other awards being the Commissioner&= #8217;s Award for Bravery and the Commissioner’s Outstanding Youth Achievement Award. The award will be administered through the Commissioner’s Offi= ce. The Commissioner will be the chancellor and the secretary of the order and,= as the Premier had spoken to earlier, an advisory council will be established pursuant to the provisions of the act.

I know first-hand how impactful and important awards of this nature are to Yukoner= s. On a winter’s night in 2004, the unimaginable had happened. I awoke t= o an orange glow that had filled my bedroom, and I quickly came to realize that = the house across the street from me in Porter Creek was ablaze. I ventured outs= ide to talk with residents who had gathered in front of the house, and together= we watched first responders work diligently to quell the flames and control th= is devastating situation.

In tal= king with folks, I soon came to understand that the house had caught fire from a cigarette that had not been properly extinguished. I also learned that residents with young children had escaped unharmed, but only after being notified by the valiant efforts of one neighbour who alerted the family to = the fire and helped them all exit the house. The hero was Larry Tupper, and he = was recognized for his efforts with a bravery award, presented to him by the Commissioner of Yukon.

Mr.&nb= sp;Speaker, I do understand that the Order of Yukon will not be replacing the Commissioner’s Award for Bravery; however, the connection I want to m= ake with this story is one of pride and community. Larry and his wife primarily kept to themselves and lived a quiet and simple life. However, after Larry received this award, I began to notice over time that he was interacting mo= re with neighbours than he had in the past. In finding my time to talk with La= rry, I discovered that he was proud to be recognized for his efforts. Of course, being recognized was not the motivation for his actions to help a family bu= t, as a result of being praised by the Commissioner, Larry’s pride in himself, his neighbourhood and the greater community had grown, and this was evident.

It is = this pride that I speak of that I know the Order of Yukon will foster in Yukoners. Whe= ther it is from achieving greatness in sports or First Nation government, environmental stewardship, arts, heritage, culture, development, business, volunteerism, or the support of seniors and youth, Yukoners will benefit fr= om being formally recognized for their significant contributions to the territ= ory. On behalf of Yukoners, I look forward to this bill receiving royal assent.<= /span>

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Speaker: If = the member now speaks, he will close debate. Does any other member wish to be h= eard on second reading of Bill No. 18?

 

Hon. Mr. Silver: I thank all of my colleagues today for their comments a= nd anecdotes as we look to join the rest of Canada with this level of award to deserving Yukoners.

I than= k the Leader of the Third Party for recognizing the non-partisan nature of this application. Again, in that vein, we did take a look at every jurisdiction = to try to not reinvent the wheel when it comes to how this legislation is craf= ted and how we put people on the advisory council. As we looked at every jurisdiction, something interesting showed up. In those jurisdictions where there was no representation as far as the decision to appoint people to the= order, we saw a large representation of Cabinet decidin= g upon memberships to the advisory council. For example, Alberta is one of those jurisdictions where the decision to appoint to the order is given by recommendations to the chancellor, but when you take a look at how the coun= cil is made up, the council consists of six people who are appointed by Cabinet= . In Saskatchewan, the premier made the decisions for approval. In Quebec, as we= ll, the advisory council makes recommendations to the premier. New Brunswick is= an example of where it is not the premier, but recommendations go to Cabinet. = If you take a look at the advisory committee in that particular jurisdiction, three to five persons are appointed by the Cabinet.

There = were two things that we really wanted to do here. We wanted to make sure — bec= ause we do have almost half of the self-governing First Nations in Canada — that representation is there through the CYFN. We are happy to give thanks = to Grand Chief Johnston and the folks over at CYFN for their participation.

Also, the fact that we have tried to make this as non-partisan= as possible is a really important piece. To t= he story just read into Hansard about Larry — it is all about Larry, not about what Larry’s politics are. I was just taking a look — I am glad that we made a lot of comments about former Yukoners and nobody really hedged any bets here today about living Yukoners who they think should be on the Order of Yukon magnitude, but I take a look at names like Bill Bowie — who has passed away in Dawson — or Steve Cardiff or Dave Layzell, three individuals who had their own partisan politics. The way that we have decided to move forward on this particular legislation, what will not be considered is political background, and what = will be considered is the good work done by good individuals.

I am r= eally proud of that and I just want to make a comment — there have been a l= ot of conversations in the briefings on this about how we came to the determination that we would start with 10 individuals for the first two yea= rs. I could pick 20 Klondikers who are deserving of= this award right now. By being the last jurisdiction in Canada to join this rank= of order, we really believe it is important to populate the order with up to 20 individuals based upon the discretion of the council. Again, it is up to 20= in those first two years, so 10 in the first year, 10 in the next year. It doesn’t have to be 10 both years. The council has the flexibility onc= e it gets established. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that, through the involvement of Yukoners putting names forward for this order, they will hav= e a hard time not picking 10 names in the first year and 10 names in the second year.

I do a= ppreciate the comments from the opposition and it looks like this particular piece of legislation will hopefully have little problem moving through to assent. It will be interesting that our Commissioner, when she does come in and assent= to this bill, will be the first recipient of this Order of Yukon. It will be an historic day, and I am looking forward to being here and all of us be part = of history as we move forward.

Thank = you again to my colleagues, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Speaker: Are= you prepared for the question?

Some Hon. Members: Division.

Division

Speaker: Div= ision has been called.

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Bells

 

Speaker: Mr.=  Clerk, please poll the House.

Hon. Mr. Silver: Agree.

Hon. Ms. McPhee: Agree.

Hon. Mr. Pillai: Agree.

Hon. Ms. Dendys: Agree.

Hon. Ms. Frost: Agree

Mr. Gallina: Agree.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Agree.

Hon. Mr. Streicker: <= span lang=3DEN-CA>Agree.

Mr. Hutton: Agree.

Mr. Hassard: Agree.

Ms. Van Bibber: Agree.

Mr. Cathers: Agree.

Ms. McLeod: Agree.

Mr. Istchenko: Agree.

Ms. Hanson: Agree.

Ms. White: Agree.

Clerk: Mr.&n= bsp;Speaker, the results are 16 yea, nil nay.

Speaker: The= yeas have it. I declare the motion carried.

Motion for second reading of Bill No. 18 ag= reed to

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Hon. Ms. McPhee: I move that the Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the Ho= use resolve into Committee of the Whole.

Speaker: It = has been moved by the Government House Leader that the Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the House resolve into Committee of the Whole.

Motion agreed to

 

Speaker leaves the Chair

Committee of the Whole

Chair (Mr. Hutton): I will now call Committee of the Whole to order.

The ma= tter before the Committee is Vote 55, Department of Highways and Public Works, in Bill No. 206, entitled First Appropriation Act 2018‑19.

Do mem= bers wish to take a brief recess?

All Hon. Members: Agreed.

Chair: We wi= ll take a 15-minute break.

 

Recess

 

Chair: I will now call Committee of the Whole to order.=

Bill No. 206: First Appropriation A= ct 2018‑19 — continued

Chair: The matter before the Committee is Vote 55, Department = of Highways and Public Works, in Bill No. 206, entitled First Appropriation Act 2018‑19.

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Department of Highways and Public Works

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Thank you, Mr. Chair. I would like to take a moment to introduce my officials this afternoon. We have with us Mr. Paul Murchi= son who works for our Transportation branch and also Mr. Jaime Pitfield, o= ur deputy minister. I don’t think he has appeared in the House yet. Welc= ome, gentlemen.

In kee= ping with our approach over the last little while, I’m going to keep my initial comments relatively brief. We want to make sure we give enough time for questions, so I have few remarks to make.

I̵= 7;m pleased to present to you this afternoon the Department of Highways and Pub= lic Works 2018‑19 budget. Before I get into the good work this budget supports, I would like to talk about the department a bit. Highways and Pub= lic Works is a large department spread out over our vast territory. In many communities, the Highways and Public Works staff runs three family generati= ons deep. They are, without exaggeration, Yukoners working for Yukon around the clock.

We ena= ble our client departments to make better procurement and purchasing choices that support our local businesses and Yukon’s economy. The government̵= 7;s departments rely on our services that provide asset management, not only for building roads and ICT infrastructure, but also for fleet vehicles, the Queen’s Printer and the mailroom. Of course, we also provide and main= tain the critical infrastructure that all Yukoners rely on — information technology that enables the government to function.

Buildi= ng infrastructure for our roads, bridges, airports, and buildings is our main business and we do this so that government can run effectively and efficien= tly. We do this so Yukoners can get around and so our society can function. Our challenges are doing all this with limited resources and a limited construc= tion season together with a harsh climate — a harsher climate than many southern jurisdictions face. With a dedicated staff of more than 800 people spread across four divisions, we are currently doing that important work to= the best degree possible — many times with aged equipment. Someday, ask me about “old fireball”.

We nee= d to invest in new equipment in order to enable our crews to keep our transporta= tion routes safe and operational. Aging and outdated building and technology infrastructure is another challenge for the department as we work to priori= tize capital projects and upgrades. You heard about that earlier today in the Ho= use with elevators for example. We do this to better serve Yukoners and reduce energy costs as part of our commitment to Yukon’s climate change strategy. My department operates and maintains more than 540 government bui= ldings worth in excess of $1.6 billion. Each year, we also design and build n= ew facilities to help meet the growing program needs of our client departments= so they can better serve the needs of Yukoners in a growing and maturing territory.

We are= also focused on reducing energy use in our buildings through energy retrofits and energy-efficient new construction. These investments pay back quickly throu= gh cost savings while also helping to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions.

Highwa= ys and Public Works was a participant in the climate change audit Public Accounts hearing and we were able to highlight our work in addressing climate change= and mitigating the government’s greenhouse gas emissions that arise from transportation and building operations. We are also working to improve government procurement so our spending supports the delivery of public serv= ices and boosts economic benefits to all Yukoners.

We hav= e heard from our local contractors that seasonally dependant large construction projects were tendered too late to adequately prepare bids. We have listene= d to these concerns and, this year, we are putting out more tenders earlier so Y= ukon businesses will have more time to plan and deliver on projects.

To dev= elop more skills locally and to generate local employment from government contracts, = we have added the northern knowledge and experience clause to our contracts. T= his clause recognizes the value added when contractors have a demonstrated foundation of experience working in the Yukon environment.

To mak= e sure that our First Nations are included, we have added the First Nation participation clause so that local benefits are considered ahead of time by= our local vendors in a way that meets both their needs and the First Nation community’s needs.

On the information management front, this department provides leadership across government for how we collectively manage information and how we can be mor= e open and transparent while protecting the most sensitive of our citizens’ private information.

Highwa= ys and Public Works also operates and maintains all of = the information and technology equipment that connect government departments wi= th each other and with the public. Modernizing and repairing antiquated information technology systems does cost money; however, it also saves us m= oney in the long run. Highways and Public Works is committed to supporting departments and fulfilling their program needs thro= ugh e‑services. Making services accessible online helps us create sustain= able communities, lessening the gap between Whitehorse and other Yukon communiti= es. Dollars and effort invested in this by all government departments consisten= tly yield a very strong return on investment in ways that generate positive imp= acts for Yukoners though improved and efficient services internally.

Our Pr= operty Management division is carrying out a service improvement action plan that = is closely tied to the department’s broader goals of innovation and continuous improvement. This plan is also linked to implementing many of the recommendations of the Auditor General, such as completing building conditi= on assessments and developing a radon guideline for testing and remediation. Property Management is now producing an annual report and a 2017‑18 report will be released in the coming months. This will help us report on progress and focus on improvements, and I look forward to reporting on these outcomes, Mr. Chair.

The En= ergy unit completed energy audits in 10 of the highest energy-consuming buildings to identify numerous conservation methods. Additionally, they compiled a comprehensive list of ways to increase energy efficiency and reduce greenho= use gas, while at the same time saving money in operational costs.

Yukon = is vulnerable to the impacts of climate change and infrastructure can be impac= ted by the thawing of ice-rich permafrost. For that reason, Highways and Public Works is completing a comprehensive program of assessing 102 of its 540 buildings that are located in permafrost zones. We need to develop a detailed mitigation and monitoring plan to ensure we are dealing with issues as effectively as we can.

In the transportation realm, Transportation Maintenance’s business moderniza= tion initiative, now in its fifth year, also supports this critically important continuous improvement mandate.

That i= s an overview of the department as it stands. Mr. Chair, the challenges my = team faces are extreme. This budget reflects the need to meet those challenges. =

The Hi= ghways and Public Works budget provides $17.7 million — almost $18 mil= lion — for capital, building and maintenance projects, $91 million for transportation and more than $5 million for information and communicat= ions technology.

Now I&= #8217;ll take my seat and let the members opposite have their say to get into this budget discussion.

Mr. Hassard: I too would like to thank the officials for being here today to assist the minister. Mr. Pitfield — the last time he was here was on this s= ide of the House, getting grilled by the Public Accounts Committee. I’m s= ure it will be a little different experience today — and Mr. Murchis= on, of course, who has been here on more than one occasion.

In the minister’s opening remarks, he talked about contracts being valued ad= ded and a First Nation clause in contracts, so I have a question right off the = hop on that. I have spoken to a First Nation contractor in Carcross, who was se= cond on a contract last fall — a $75,000-contract that he lost by $500 = 212; so I’m curious how that aligns with the minister’s idea of value added and the First Nation clause in contracting.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I want to recognize, of course, that my colleague across the f= loor is absolutely right — Mr. Pitfield has been in the House before — so thank you for that correction.

The me= mber opposite has brought up the contract worth about $75,000. I have spoken to = the individual myself as well. It is a case of an open procurement process that= was price-driven and not value-driven in this case. In that circumstance, we ha= d to take the lowest bid. The company that won has worked in the territory for a long time. I have spoken to the individual about his frustrations with this type of thing, but it was an open process. He did bid on the contract and he lost by $500, which is heart-wrenching for any contractor who comes so clos= e, but in a price-driven contract, as the member opposite knows, you take the lowest bid — you can’t play favourites in that case. In this ca= se, that company did lose that contract; however, going forward, we are going t= o be adding more and more value-driven contracts, as we can. They won’t wo= rk in every situation; they will work where they make sense to do that. We will use them and we’re going to try to use them a lot more liberally than= in the past.

Mr. Hassard: Would the minister be able to provide this House with some sort of criteria or so= me sort of understanding on when or how those value-added contracts may be use= d?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I can tell the member opposite that our procurement improvement policy is going to be tabled shortly. We will be getting into a= lot more detail in the next few weeks. As a technique, value-driven contracts a= re getting us really good value and really good results through the procurement process. We are finding that it is getting us value and is being well-recei= ved by the contracting community. I am sure it will become a main plank in our procurement process going forward.

Mr. Hassard:&= #8195;I guess it would be nice if, when we are debating the Highways and Public Wor= ks budget, we could have that information — at least while we debated it= and not sometime in the future.

I am c= urious to know who the minister may have consulted with when coming up with the crite= ria on when or how to use value-added contracts?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I can assure the member opposite that this is a work in progress. I know the departmental staff meets wi= th industry on a regular basis. We had our industry conference where we gather= ed and had a lot of touch points with industry there. We took a lot of material and information out of that.

WeR= 17;re also currently consulting with First Nations and have our procurement policy bef= ore them for feedback right now. My deputy met with the Contractors Association last week as well. This is an ongoing part of our whole thing, which is one= of the reasons why we haven’t brought the policy before you, Mr. Ch= air. We have committed to implementing the recommendations of the Procurement Advisory Panel report and we’ve done that. That work is in progress a= s we speak. Part of that implementation is getting a procurement advisory commit= tee together that will help advise government. We’re in the process of getting that struck. That will also provide a point of contact where we can consult with industry. That is coming and as soon as that work is done, we = will bring something before my colleagues and this House to have a discussion ab= out it in further detail. That work is coming.

Mr. Hassard: I’m curious if the minister would be able to give us some sort of timeline. I’m not asking for a specific date, like July 9, but just a general timeline. Is this something that he sees coming into play in July or next J= une — just a rough idea at least?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I’m more than happy to provide the member opposite with a rough timeline. I have done that. We have committed to having the Procureme= nt Advisory Panel’s recommendations implemented by the end of 2018.

Mr. Hassard: I’m wondering if the minister can give us some examples of contracts that he may see being value added or with the First Nation clause, such as Highways and Public Works did with the Nares River bridge. Are there other examples? Wou= ld the Nisutlin bridge possibly be an example of th= is?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Yes, my plan is to work with the community of Teslin an= d the First Nation of Teslin on an arrangement similar to the one we struck with = the Nares River bridge when we move forward with the Nisutlin River bridge.

Mr. Hassard: Since we’re on the Nisutlin bridge topic, would the minister be able to pro= vide us with an update on talks that have taken place with the Teslin Tlingit Council? Are there any community consultation meetings that are going to ta= ke place in the near future? In general, where are we with that project?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I’m glad the member opposite brought up bridges because we’re doing our best to outline steps forward to improve our bridge infrastructure throughout the territory. We have a bridge and culvert management system in place and it’s used to determine bridge rehabilitation or replacement needs, and helps us identify investment requirements and priorities.

Aging = bridges represent weak links in the transportation system, so the department seeks = to ensure that Yukon bridges can handle heavier trucks and bulk hauls in both directions for industry and to resupply shippers. Many Yukon bridges were b= uilt in the 1950s and 1960s — as the member opposite I am sure is aware — and are at an age where major rehabilitation or replacement is required to maintain the cross= ings so the highway network can handle modern loads and traffic. We have huge tr= ucks contemplating coming north, and the bridges represent choke points on our highways and road systems.

This y= ear, project work is directed toward the programs for both bridge strengthening = and bridge replacement territory-wide. The Nares River brid= ge — the wooden Nares River bridge in Carcross — was built = in 1970, and it will be replaced with a concrete and steel bridge, which will provide greater structural integrity and meet the current needs and future = traffic demands. The Nares River bridge procurement process is a great example of t= he Yukon government’s commitment to work with First Nations to increase their participation in the economy and to promote economic development benefiting First Nations and all Yukoners. This procurement contained requirements for a First Nation participation plan that includes employment, training and subcontracting, which is a first for bridge construction contracting by this government. The Yukon asset construction agreement requ= ired under the Carcross/Tagish First Nat= ion Final Agreement will provide tangible benefits to the Carcross/Tagish F= irst Nation. Funds allocated for this bridge replacement this year are $7 million, with a total cost of $13.5 million. Construction will begin this spring and is expected to be complete in two years. The new brid= ge will be constructed beside the existing bridge allowing the old bridge to remain open during construction.

The Fo= x Creek bridge is another one. It is located 50 kilometres out= side of Whitehorse on the north Klondike Highway and was built in 1965 as a conc= rete bridge to replace a steel and beam bridge that w= as washed away in 1961. We are allocating $3.6 million to replace this as= set with a new, reinforced concrete bridge with steel girders. Prior to construction, a detour bridge will be built parallel to the existing locati= on so that the current bridge can then be decommissioned. The total for comple= tion of this bridge is $5.5 million.

I will= say, as far as Teslin goes, that — that is sort of an overview of our bridge projects this year — I have met with the chief and council. My depart= ment met two weeks ago. We have had about 12 meetings over the last two years on this project, and we are very hopeful that we will go forward together once= we reach an agreement on how to proceed with that very large and very important construction project.

Mr. Hassard: I don’t think that really answered the question. I was curious about wh= ere we are at — or where the government is at or where the Department of Highways and Public Works is at — in negotiations with Teslin Tlingit Council. When does Highways and Public Works pla= n on having community consultation meetings with the community at large? One mor= e question on that is: Where do I find the Nisutlin River bridge in the five-year capital plan? I know that it has been a project that was a priority. It has been put off a couple of times, but now I don’t seem to see it anywhere on the list. Can the minister tell us that as well = when he is up?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I am really, really happy. I am gladdened by the good member opposite’s optimism and confidence in this government. We have just completed Nares — an agreement with the Carcross/= Tagish First Nation late last fall. It is remarkable. My officials put an a= wful lot of work — meetings, time and energy — as did the Carcross/Tagish First Nation into that agreement, and it took some doing. We got there, and this project is going ahead this year. It is tremendous. Now, with that template in place — that process to go forward and the successful completion of those very frank, candid and hard discussions R= 12; we got to a place and we’re moving forward with that job.

Now, w= e are turning our attention to the bridge in my good friend’s backyard, and we’re going to try to get an agreement there. We’re in a very preliminary stage of that project. We have about $750,000 in the budget this year for work on the Nisutlin bridge. We have ab= out $500,000 for bridge repairs. They are needed because that bridge has to be = maintained. That work has started and it will continue throughout this year — abo= ut a half‑million dollars to keep it operational.

Then w= e have about $250,000 in there for design work. As I have said previously — = and I’m sorry the member opposite didn’t pick up the answer —= we are working with the Teslin Tlingit Council and the Teslin community on an ongoing basis to make sure that the bridge — the design that we decide on, and the process that we actually hit on in the end — meets their = needs as well as ours.

Mr. Hassard: I think the minister thinks that we’re in Question Period, so we’= re allowed to just keep asking the questions until we get an answer, so avoidi= ng the question maybe isn’t the greatest strategy.

Again,= I asked where the minister and where Highways and Public Works are at with Teslin Tlingit Council. I asked what meetings have taken place — or are being planned in the near future or maybe in the long-term future — with the community at large in Teslin, not Carcross — for the Nisutlin River b= ridge. Where do I find it in the five-year capital plan? Is this bridge now not go= ing to be done in the next five years? Maybe the minister could enlighten us a little.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I thank the member opposite for his questions. I am more than = happy to talk about this all afternoon. I am sure that is exactly what we will be doing.

We are= working to complete an options study for the bridge. As I said, it is very early da= ys. We finished the preliminary work on the Nares River bri= dge, which we are now going to execute. Now we are shifting our focus to Nisutli= n. These are very early days. We are working with the community of Teslin. My officials met two weeks ago. We have had more than 12 meetings over the last two years and we are meeting again next week. The meetings are ongoing to r= each an agreement with the community. We want to find out through the options st= udy what is affordable and doable, and then, once we have that, we will put it = in the five-year capital plan.

We are= going to work with the First Nation and the community to set parameters, to get an agreement in place for a value-driven contract with their agreement and the= ir participation. We want — as was the case in Carcross — to make = sure that the First Nation in Teslin has an opportunity and tangible benefits flowing from the project in their traditional territory.

Mr. Hassard:Q= 95;I’m curious. The minister said that the department is wo= rking with the First Nation and they are also working with the community. I’= ;m curious if that meeting next week is with the community at large or with the First Nation, or is that a meeting with the municipal government? Who is be= ing invited to that meeting next week?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: The meeting next week is with the First Nation.

Mr. Hassard: Back to my original question, or one of my original questions — when does = the department plan on meeting with the community at large in Teslin regarding = the Nisutlin River bridge?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I have been informed by my officials that a project steering committee is being struck for the project that includes the Village of Tesl= in and the Teslin Tlingit Council and it will be meeting sometime in the near future. But as I said, it’s the very, very preliminary stages in this project and, as the project progresses, those meetings will have — th= ere will be more meat on the bone and more things to discuss, but right now, it’s very, very preliminary at this stage.

Mr. Hassard: It’s interesting for the minister to say that it’s very preliminary, becau= se I know that Mr. Murchison has been to Teslin several times — more = than just the near past. It has been several years, and Highways and Public Works had met with the community at large, not just the First Nation and not just= the municipal government, but with the community at large. There were open hous= es, public meetings where many things were discussed and many options were put = on the table. This isn’t something that is just beginning. This is somet= hing that has been ongoing for quite some time.

I̵= 7;m curious if the minister can tell us if that steering committee is going to = have anyone from the private sector or any of the local businesses — will = they be on that steering committee or will it just be the municipal government a= nd the First Nation government?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: We’re reviewing the terms of reference for this committe= e. It will be the Village of Teslin and the TTC for sure. As soon as we pin down = the terms of reference, we will make a decision on private sector and citizen involvement as well.

Mr. Hassard: I certainly hope that there is some consideration given to that because, as t= he minister knows — or I’m sure he has heard on more than one occa= sion — the community of Teslin, the First Nation, the municipal government, and the community at large work very well together. We’ve been very successful — I should say the municipality, the community, has been v= ery successful — over the past few years of ensuring that contracts done = in the community provide the absolute maximum to the community that is possibl= e. We look forward to having good input from the entire community on those meetin= gs, moving forward.

The on= e final question that still has yet to be answered by the minister is: Where do we = find in the five-year capital plan the Nisutlin bridge?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: We keep referring to a five-year capital plan, and I= 217;m very glad to be speaking to the five-year capital plan that we have. ItR= 17;s the very first time we have had a five-year capital plan in this government. The members opposite can probe and ask questions about it. The fact is this project is not yet at the stage where it appears on the five-year capital p= lan — the first five-year capital plan this government has pulled togethe= r. This move into this field is a first for the Government of Yukon. It is wid= ely regarded by the contracting community which is seeing the change and the efforts we’re making to bring more clarity to the budgeting process of the government — and giving some indication of where this government = is going into the future.

They w= ill point to all sorts of things that are not in it, but there is an awful lot of stu= ff in that capital plan and the contracting community is very happy to have th= at clarity for what we are doing in the next five years. As projects move into= a more tangible process, as they come into clearer focus, as Cabinet and our caucus sits down and approves and gets the money and they get to know what = is coming, they will move on to the capital plan. Then we will start discussing those further and more clarity will be brought to that whole process.

But at= the moment, the member opposite is right. This project is not in the five-year capital plan. It is our intention to proceed with this project — we’re working very closely with the community to bring it to fruition. Once the tangible details of this project come into clear focus for this government and we have an idea of what the cost will be and where the money= is coming from, it will move on to our capital plan, and then the contracting community will have a much clearer idea of where it is. Right now, we have money for repair and maintenance in the budget, and we’ll continue keeping this structure in working order until we actually sit down and start the hard work of replacing it.

Mr. Hassard: When we first heard about this government coming out with a five-year capital pl= an, I said, “Hey, that’s great.” I have said that on more than one occasion, and I would continue to say it if it had any meat to it, I gu= ess.

The mi= nister can stand here and say, “Oh boy, everybody is happy to see a five-year capital plan.” Yes, they sure would be, if there was something in it.= A five-year capital plan that projects come and go off of — well, we mi= ght add a project here and we might take that one away, and there is no dollar = amount attached to a single item in the five-year capital plan. I would really lik= e to know who the minister has talked to. He has stood here and said that indust= ry is so happy to see this. I speak to industry on a daily basis too, and I ha= ve not found one single person in industry who said, “Wow, now that I ha= ve looked at that five-year capital plan, I can plan for the future,” because, to be honest, there is nothing. There is a list of projects that m= ay or may not happen.

I am c= urious if the minister can explain to me how a list of projects that may or may not happen can create certainty with the business community here in the Yukon.<= /span>

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: My good friend on the bench opposite and I are going to= go back and forth on this a little bit, I think.

There = was no five-year capital plan. Now there is a five-year capital plan: air tanker base, airpo= rt maintenance facility and air terminal building in Dawson; Kluane Lake Schoo= l in Burwash Landing; Christ the King Elementary School in Whitehorse; Drury Cre= ek living quarters; F.H. Collins Secondary School site work; French first lang= uage school in Whitehorse; girls’ group home replacement in Whitehorse; the grader station in Carmacks; group homes building replacement in Whitehorse; health centre in Old Crow; Holy Family Elementary School in Whitehorse; Hou= sing First project in Whitehorse; Macaulay Lodge demolition; and morgue and coroner’s office in Whitehorse. We’ll go on: scalable generic health centre design; scalable generic school designs; seniors housing in Carmacks; social and affordable housing projects, various across the territ= ory; a staff housing triplex in Watson Lake; living quarters, Stewart Crossing; Whistle Bend continuing care, Whitehorse; and Yukon Archives vault expansio= n in Whitehorse. Those are the capital categories for real property. I could go = on to transportation; I could go on to community and First Nation infrastructu= re. I could go on, Mr. Chair, but maybe that list is not enough.

We saw= that in the past. We saw budgets come out — capital budgets of $320 mill= ion landed on peoples’ desks and created all sorts of expectations, and t= hen they weren’t delivered. The government delivered $220 million of= the $320 million promised at this time in previous years, and the contract= ors were left — $100 million left on the table. They were frustrated= by that, so we have taken steps to change that. We have a new capital plan; we have a capital budget, an envelope of $280 million= , that is guaranteed for the next five years. People know what is coming. We have a five-year capital plan with projects and dates and a commitment that we are going to go through with these things and actually build them.

Someti= mes they may move forward; sometimes they will hopefully not slip, but they could — things happen. This is a living, breathing document, but it gives t= he contracting community some ease that we are actually going to deliver ̵= 2; between 2018 and 2023 — social and affordable housing projects throug= hout Yukon, and people will know what that is.=

This i= s a step forward. It is the first year of this thing. It is new and we are trying to build understanding with this, so this is a list of contracts in our capital plan that Yukoners can say, “Hey, they are actually going to follow through on this. They have $280 million over the next five years. That= is a spendable number, and we can see what they are going to do,” and th= at brings some clarity to the budgeting process.

I am s= ure that next year there will be even more projects and even more confidence that we= are going to do what we said we did in this budget, and not lapse hundreds and = tens of millions of dollars that were promised and not executed.

Mr. Hassard: I will use the example that the minister has just used. He said that in 2018 = to 2023, there is going to be money spent on social housing. Can the minister explain to me or to this Legislature what that does for the stick builders = in the Yukon? What can they take to the bank from that? What can they tell the= ir employees — that this five-year capital plan is creating certainty for them?

Does t= he minister really believe that, if Ketza Construc= tion has a meeting with their employees and says, “There is going to be so= me social housing money spent; we don’t know how much, but it is going to happen somewhere between 2018 and 2023”, that this provides certainty= for their employees and their employees’ families?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: What the contracting community can do — if you ar= e in the home-building business and you are interested in building social housin= g or — I think what I said was “affordable housing projects” f= or the Yukon Housing Corporation. They will know that there are going to be projects let every year starting this year and going forward. If you were to invest in your workforce and in training them, you have five years’ w= orth of work here. They committed in writing to doing it; that is fine. There is that.

You ca= n also go and see that the health centre in Old Crow is slotted for 2021. “Holy smokes, I want that contract. It is coming in 2021. I can see it here in bl= ack and white. I am going to start to pull together a team to actually bid on t= hat thing and see how I can get there.” It does provide that certainty to people that we have a plan going forward where the money is going to be spe= nt and when it is going to be spent.

Let= 217;s get serious, Mr. Chair. A project that is coming down in 2021 — in t= erms of putting down hard numbers, the member opposite knows that we have an ide= a of how much. We have generic health care facility planning that we are doing a= nd that type of thing. That will influence how much these facilities cost. <= /p>

As far= as an actual dollar figure goes for these things, that= is a prognostication well into the future. We know the ballpark of how much it i= s. We don’t want to start putting out hard numbers for some of these projects far in the future. It’s just too far ahead.

Contra= ctors can take a look at this document and say: “Look at that. They are actually doing a health centre in Old Crow. They are planning it for 2021. How do we= get in on that? How do we actually plan to build it? What do we need to do to b= id on that job?” They can see it and start that process. That gives them= a new tool — a tool that they haven’t seen before — to get = the job done.

Mr. Hassard: I am not sure if the minister heard my question or not,= but I was curious as to who he thought would be able to go to their staff and say: “Hey, look. You should buy a new house or you should look at buying t= hat new pickup because there is work here. There is work for this affordable housing from 2018 to 2023.” But there is absolutely no certainty to it because it could move. It could get bumped. It might move down the road, and there are absolutely no numbers attached to it. Is it $200,000 worth of wor= k? Is it a duplex? To say that industry is getting certainty out of this five-= year capital plan, Mr. Chair, I think is certainly not the case.

If you don’t have some idea of what that work is going to consist of, to say that there is going to be a job sometime in the next five years without say= ing what that job might consist of is rather pointless, I think. I’m not saying that the minister has to stand here and say that this project is goi= ng to be worth $2.31 million, but there has to be some type of number somewhere. They have talked about evidence-based decision-making, doing a better job of budgeting. How can you do a better job of budgeting if you don’t have any numbers? How is industry supposed to plan for the futu= re if they don’t have any numbers?

I have= said from the beginning that I think a five-year capital plan is a great idea, so don’t get me wrong. But a five-year capital plan with no meat on the bones is a five-year capital concept. That’s not creating any certain= ty for industry.

So aga= in, can the minister tell us who in the industry world out there is jumping up and down, thanking the government for this five-year capital concept?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I take issue with the assertion by the member opposite, the Le= ader of the Official Opposition, that there is no money here. There is money her= e. Everybody can see it. It’s in black and white. We have a five-year capital plan that goes through this.

In 201= 8‑19 the government has committed to spending $280,143,000 on capital gross expenditures; in 2019-20, $288,309,000; in 2020-21, $293,375,000; in 2021-2= 2, $287,695,000; and in 2022-23, $263,463,000 — real dollars.

In eve= ry year, there are: real property buildings, $88 million; transportation infrastructure, $65 million; community and First Nation infrastructure, $41 million; land development, $17 million — every year for= the next five years. If you are a land developer, you can say: “Look, they’re spending $17 million a year for the next five years. They’ve committed to that. I can actually go out and buy a dozer and start to build equipment.”

There = are other projects: $16 million, $38 million, $34 million, $4 mil= lion in 2021, $2 million in 2022-23; information tech, $14 million acr= oss the board for the next five years — a commitment that the tech indust= ry can look at. They are actually spending $14 million a year for the next five years. That’s a commitment — a five-year capital commitment — with numbers over the next five years. You can go in and say: “These are the projects that they’re actually going to do.̶= 1;

Then y= ou go into loans programs — $12 million all the way through for five years, capital transfers of $8 million, $11 million. Those are hard numb= ers. They are in our five-year capital plan. They provide that certainty to indu= stry and to all manner of Yukoners that we’re going to follow through with= the work we’ve committed to. It’s budgeted. We have a plan. We̵= 7;re going to stick to the five-year capital plan. That’s what it is all about. I thank the member opposite for the question.

Mr. Hassard: Let me put it to the minister this way then — I’ll just pick a proj= ect here in the five-year capital plan. Holy Family Elementary School in Whiteh= orse — work in 2021-22 and 2022-23 with no numb= er attached to it.

My que= stion to the minister was: How does this instill certainty in industry here in the Yukon? Yes, great — here it is 2021-22, 2022-23. What is it? Are they going to paint the outside? Are they going to put new windows in? Are they building a new school? Whom are you providing certainty to?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Real property, buildings — $88 million, $69 mi= llion, $71 million, $74 million, $43 million. If you are into prope= rty development, if you are into building buildings, houses, apartment blocks or whatever, you can look at this and say: “Holy smokes, they are buildi= ng — Yukon Housing Corporation. Part of that is $88 million a year.= I am going to invest in that.” This is a difference. It is a change in direction. In the past, what we had was: “Here you go — $320 million in capital spending and then, by the end of the year, we = have delivered $197 million or hundreds of millions of dollars in laps= es and no idea where we’re going into the future. The fog of the future = is lying overtop of the future financial plans of the government. We had no id= ea from year to year as we went from $320 million to $280 million to $260 million to $240 million, back up here — lapse, lapse, lapse, again and again and again. I think $40 million was the lowest l= apse year we had in the past.

WeR= 17;re trying to move away from lapses — to spend what we plan to do. We have envelopes of money now that allow us the flexibility to actually spend what= we said we would spend. That is another change in our budgeting processes. We = put projects in capital envelopes, like we did with the tech envelopes, and in = that way we can actually have some flexibility. If a project doesn’t go ah= ead, we can shift gears to move up one of the other projects that we said we wou= ld do and get it done. We went from having no path forward to a five-year capi= tal plan that lays out numbers in all sorts of different categories, with detail about what projects we are looking at doing on the other pages.

Christ= the King Elementary School is slotted in for 2021. If you want to bid on that, you c= an say, “Look, you have money in real property — $88 million = that is going to come out of that thing in that year.” That is how it work= s.

Mr. Hassard: The minister can stand here all day long and talk about what a terrible job the previous government did and how this new government is doing a way better j= ob, but, at the end of the day, we are no further ahead. He talked about the fog — I’m afraid, Mr. Chair, that I= know the only place where there is any fog here is across the way.

I aske= d a very simple question: What is happening with Holy Family School? Who is getting certainty out of seeing this in the five-year capital plan? Is it a painter= , is it a floor layer, or is it a window manufacturer? What good is this nice, b= lue square on this page if no one has any idea who is going to get any work or = what kind of work may come from it?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: To clarify, I am really not trying to judge my forebears and predecessors in this job. It is not an easy job. I know they did their best. There was a different model in place and there were lapses. I am really not judging; I am just trying to give a picture of what happened in the past.

Going = forward, we want to try to avoid lapsing money. We want to get as much money into Yukoners hands as we possibly can, so we are taking steps to do that. We ha= ve got our five–year capital plan that we have put in place. The members opposite don’t like it, and I am sorry for that, but it is the proces= s that we are using to go forward.

We are= putting in as much information as we can, and I am sure that the member opposite can start to focus on things that are years down the road. We have a budget rig= ht now in 2017‑18 with a lot of projects in it that we are planning on e= xecuting this year, and I am more than happy to talk in concrete terms about those projects. They are the ones that are in the chamber — they are moving forward.

I can = continue to talk about future projects. I am sure that when we get to get to Educati= on, you can ask about — well, we have been to Education, but we can come = back to Education and start doing some work on some of the projects in their bud= get. I am more than happy to talk about the contracts in my budget and the ones = that are happening this year. I have a lot more information about them

Mr. Hassard: I hope I didn’t miss a day because I don’t think we have been into Education, but I could be wrong.

I have= said — and I will say it again — I like the idea of a five-year capi= tal plan, so the minister doesn’t need to talk about the fact that we don’t like a five-year capital plan. I have said on more than one occasion that we like the idea of a five-year capital plan; however, it says right here, in English, that they plan to build the following projects over= the next five years to meet Yukon’s needs for social programs, schools and transportation infrastructure. That is just on the page that was randomly chosen. If we go down that page: Holy Family Elementary School, Whitehorse, 2021-22, 2022-23.

“= ;We plan to build the following projects.” Does that mean you plan to build a = new Holy Family Elementary School in Whitehorse? If you are saying yes, then ye= s, that creates some certainty for industry. They know that, hey, there is goi= ng to be a school built in 2021-22, 2022-23. They might not necessarily know i= f it is going to be a $12‑million school or a $50‑million school, but they know that there is going to be a school built. But the minister can’t tell us if there is going to be a school built, if there are go= ing to be new windows put in that school, if it is going to get a new paint job= or if it is going to get a new door on the principal’s office. What kind= of certainty does that pass to industry here in the Yukon?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I will start on a point of common ground and let’= s move forward from there. The member opposite, the Leader of the Official Opposit= ion, likes the idea of a five-year plan. On that we are agreed. I like the idea = of a five-year plan too, which is why we executed on one, and we now have one in front of us. The member opposite doesn’t like our five-year capital p= lan and I think it’s just fine. It is a commitment we made and executed a= nd actually got the job done. He doesn’t like it — all right, let’s move on from there. I guess he is offering ways to fix it. He w= ants to put numbers to that. I am saying that we have numbers and we disagree on that point.

As far= as Holy Family goes, the commitment in here to Holy Family School, Whitehorse, Education — not Holy Family building maintenance= , it is Holy Family School. There is a plan here to build a school, and we are working toward a generic design for our schools to help save money. That is part of our five-year capital plan too. We are working on building schools = and they are in our five-year capital plan.

Mr. Hassard: Wasn’t that simple? After all that, the minister = says that we are building a new school for Holy Family School in Whitehorse in 2021-22, 2022-23.

I will= go up the page and touch on something that falls under the minister’s departmen= t. Maybe it won’t take so long to get some answers on this one. Airport maintenance facility and air terminal building in Dawson City — we kn= ow in the briefing from department officials how much was being spent this yea= r. Can the minister give us an idea of how much we have going forward for 2019= -20, 2020-21 and 2021-22 in the five-year capital plan?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I believe that the member opposite is asking for information o= n the Dawson City Airport project. We are currently combing through our materials= to find that number. I do know that we’re spending in the neighbourhood = of about $7 million on a maintenance facility this year, and then moving forward with the paving construction project next year.

Mr. Hassard: As I said in my first question regarding the Dawson City air terminal building= and maintenance facility, we know from the briefing how much is being spent this year and the breakdown on it. I believe it was $7.3 million or $7.4 million on the maintenance building. The answer I’m looking= for is the breakdown over the next three years after that.

If the= minister doesn’t have that information at his fingertips or if the officials aren’t able to comb it out — if we could maybe get a legislative return on those numbers please?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I will endeavour to get a more comprehensive answer for the Le= ader of the Official Opposition.

Mr. Hassard: Just one final question on that one: I wonder if the minister could tell us if t= he scope of work over the next few years on the Dawson runway has changed or if it’s still to move ahead as originally planned.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I thank the member opposite for the question. We are currently= in the throes of doing a number of air system studies. That’s going to p= ull together all of the needs of the three major airports and some of the other ones as well.

As far= as Dawson is concerned right now, we are committed to doing the air maintenance facil= ity — the storage shed for the maintenance equipment. We’re going to pave the runway and then we’re looking at options to see what’s involved going forward with Nav Canada, Transpo= rt Canada and working out all the details that will be required in that area g= oing forward.

Mr. Hassard: Can the minister confirm or not confirm whether the possibility of moving the highway and moving the airport over to that side — is that one of the things that is still being considered with regard to the Dawson runway?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: No, I can’t confirm that at this time Mr. Chair. We= are looking at a number of options with regard to modernizing and improving the Dawson City Airport and I don’t have an answer for the member opposit= e at this time.

Mr. Hassard: I guess I’m curious why it would be in the five-year capital plan then = if they don’t have any idea what’s happening with it, I guess.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: At this point, as I have said, we’re doing the maintenance shed, we’re committed to doing the paving project and the= n we will have to look at how to proceed with the project as we go forward from there.

Mr. Hassard: Again, how does this bring certainty to anyone in industry, whether it is the avia= tion industry or the paving industry or the dirt-movers in general? We have it h= ere in the five-year capital plan saying that it’s happening over the next three years from 2019-20 to the end of 2021-22, but what certainty is there= ? If you don’t know what you’re going to do, how can you say that it’s going to happen? I mean, if you decide that you have to move the runway 10 miles farther out of town and then it has to go through YESAA and= you might have to buy land — I mean that could take three years in itself. What’s the point of having three years i= n your five-year capital plan with a project where it seems like you have no idea = what you’re doing with that project?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Again, I take issue with the member’s assertion that we don’t know what we’re doing. That is incorrect.

What w= e have is a commitment to pave the runway and get the proper maintenance and equipmen= t in place to maintain that facility going forward, making sure it’s safe = and accessible. Transport Canada has many requirements for such facilities, as = the member opposite knows full well. We’re looking at those options and finding a way to meet Transport Canada’s commitments and needs going = forward over the next four years, and we’ll do that as those needs are identi= fied to us. We’re looking at our options; we’re committed to this project.

With a= n envelope system, we have that ability. We know how much money we have in the transportation envelope to spend on these projects, and that gives us a commitment of money that we can actually spend to get the job done. As we go forward, we will prioritize and make sure the needs of these specific proje= cts are dealt with to expedite the projects and make sure the money stays here = in the territory and benefits locals to the fullest extent possible.

Mr. Hassard: I’m curious how the minister can stand here and tell us that they’re goin= g to maximize the dollars staying in the Yukon, maximize Yukon contractors and we’re going to spend that money in those three years from 2019-20 to 2021-22, but he has no idea how the project is going to proceed. He doesn’t know if they’re going to move the runway — if it’s going to be somewhere else — or if they’re just goin= g to pave the existing runway.

I ask = again: How does that create certainty for anyone in industry here in the Yukon? Like I said, anywhere from the aviation industry to the paving industry to the dirt-moving industry — how does he see this?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: The commitment this year is to build a maintenance faci= lity in preparation for paving the runway. The commitment next year is to actual= ly get the runway paved. The commitment after that is — while all that w= ork is happening, the whole operation of the airport will come into clear focus= , so future years’ plans will then come into clear focus.

I unde= rstand the member opposite is digging for information. As I said, we are in the middle= of an air system study that’s going to delve into a lot of these issues.= As we make this information available, there will be a lot more clarity to the members opposite and to the Yukon public as to what the newly refurbished a= nd paved Dawson City runway looks like.

Mr. Hassard:&= #8195;I’m curious, if the minister is going to stand here today and commit to paving = the Dawson City runway next year — I’m pretty sure that’s wha= t I just heard him say — and that is going to provide clarity moving forw= ard for the rest of the Dawson runway. He is going to do that before he even kn= ows if the runway is moving.

Is the= minister saying that he is going to pave it next year and then possibly move it somewhere else the following year or two years later? If we could maybe get= a little bit of clarification there please, Mr. Chair.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: We are building a maintenance facility this year — $7 million — we are going to be paving the runway next year. The= re are plans to lay asphalt next year. We are buying equipment to maintain and= to service this runway in the out-years and make sure that it is going forward= . As our plans are finished and going forward, as far as future needs are concer= ned, we will make them known to the people of the territory.

Mr. Hassard: Evidence-based decision-making, I guess.

I̵= 7;m curious if the minister can give us an idea of what the budget is for next = year for the paving. A follow-up to that is: Would the minister be able to give = us some indication on the O&M costs? I am assuming that the O&M costs = are going to go up with paving. Maybe I’m wrong — maybe those O&= ;M costs will go down — but if the minister could maybe give us an idea = of how the O&M costs will be reflected after the paving?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I did commit to the member opposite to get a more fulsome answ= er on the costs of the actual paving job, but my officials have given me a number= in the neighbourhood of about $6.5 million to do the paving. That is the information we have today. Is that correct? So that is the initial estimate that we have right now. As far as the O&M costs, I believe that the num= ber that I have been told about the O&M costs of maintaining a paved runway= is about $500,000 a year, in addition to the current — so it is a $500,000-addition to the O&M going forward.

Chair: Do me= mbers wish to take a brief recess?

All Hon. Members: Agreed.

Chair: Commi= ttee of the Whole will recess for 15 minutes.

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Recess

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Chair: Committee of the Whole will now come to order.

The ma= tter before the Committee is continuing general debate on Vote 55, Department of Highways and Public Works, in Bill No. 206, entitled First Appropriation Act 2018‑19.

Mr. Hassard: When we left, we were talking about Dawson City Airport= , and the minister talked about roughly $7 million being spent on the maintenance building. In the budget document, we see $9.8 million for = this year to redesign Dawson City Airport runway and build a new maintenance facility. Can the minister give us an indication of what the rest of that $9.8 million is going to be spent on this year?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: It is just north of $7 million for the facility. There’s the maintenance shed, and then we have somewhere around $2 million — plus or minus — for design and engineering.

Mr. Hassard: North of $2 million for design and engineering of what?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: There is utilities construction — about $1 million = there. That includes utilities work required for this project. There is also redevelopment management and engineering and design for the airport upgrade= s, and that totals about $2 million. A lot of utilities work has to be do= ne there, as well as the redevelopment and engineering design work.

Mr. Hassard: Maybe we will wait for the information from the department that has been promised, and maybe that will answer some of our questions. We will try moving on a little bit.

Mr.&nb= sp;Chair, as you well know, the community of Mayo is seeing quite an influx of activi= ty. I know that we asked last year about what kind of money may be going into t= he Mayo Airport for upgrades. With all of the mining activity, obviously there= is a very real potential for scheduled flight services into Mayo. I don’t see anything in the five-year capital plan or this year’s capital for improvements to the Mayo Airport. I’m curious if the minister could g= ive us some insight into what may be transpiring in terms of the Mayo Airport.<= /span>

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: We’re investing around $13 million in our community airports this year — airport projects across the territory. It’= s a lot of money. Airports are important to our territory, of course. There is = work going on in Whitehorse and in Dawson and also in Mayo. We have about $750,0= 00 going into maintenance work at the Mayo Airport this year.

Mr. Hassard: So the $750,000 in maintenance work that the minister talks about — will that upgrade the Mayo air terminal building to m= ake it capable of accepting scheduled flight service into Mayo?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: The work that is currently contemplated for Mayo is for= apron expansion and lighting, dust suppressant, engineering and design for the ru= nway and runway repair. That is the work that is going on this year.

The me= mber opposite has touched on the scheduled charter service or scheduled service = to Mayo. We have seen a lot of activity happening up in that area in the last little while. We have had conversations with some of the air carriers about what is happening at Mayo. I don’t have a clear picture yet of what t= he plans are for the airlines going into Mayo.

I know= the member opposite did the work a couple of years ago to do a scheduled service into Mayo, and I am not really sure what happened with that at the time. We= are talking with the airlines about such a service. Once they make a decision a= bout what is going on, we will do what is necessary. We will work with them to g= et that work done.

Mr. Hassard: I am assuming that the department didn’t throw that information away af= ter the work was done, so I would certainly hope that the minister would be abl= e to find that.

        Could the minister answer the question regarding whether or not this $750,000 tha= t he talked about will lead to the air terminal building being able to accept scheduled flight service?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I am informed by my officials that this is the first step in achieving certification for the Mayo runway. In April, Transport Canada wil= l be inspecting the airport and, pending approval, we can start working with the airlines for such a flight. But I haven’t received a yea or nay about whether they are actually going to go forward with that. We are doing some = work that is the first step in this certification. In April, we will have more clarity from Transport Canada.

Mr. Hassard: The minister has talked about $13 million this year for aerodromes through= out the Yukon and the importance of them. We see $9.8 million in Dawson and $750,000 in Mayo. Could we possibly find out where the rest of that $13 million is being spent?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: We have $4 million for Erik Nielsen Whitehorse Internatio= nal Airport — doing airport lease lots and airport projects. We have $2.3 million for the Dawson City Airport redevelopment, which we went through just now. That is for the utilities, et cetera. We have stuff on environmental remediation projects. We have a whole list of stuff here as w= ell: Old Crow is $977,000; Mayo, as I said, is $760,000; Watson Lake, $750,000; Faro, $650,000; Carmacks, $550,000; Ross River, almost $500,000; Beaver Cre= ek, $400,000; for the Dawson aerodrome, excluding the redevelopment, there is s= till $418,000; Carcross gets $333,000; Pelly is $250,000; Cousins gets $200,000; Burwash is $200,000; Haines Junction is getting about $100,000; Hyland is getting about $25,000; Mule Creek, $25,000; Twin Creeks, about $25,000; McQuesten is getting about $5,000; and Yukon-wide aerodromes are getting about another $500,000.

There = is a lot of money going to our airport system this year, just reflecting the importa= nce of that industry to the territory.

Mr. Hassard: I know the minister went through that list fairly quickly and hopefully we can get it from Hansard. From my quick calculations, that sounds like considera= bly more than $13 million. Could the minister explain the difference?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I agree with the member opposite, Mr. Chair. It sounds li= ke an extraordinary amount of money and it is. It is about $13‑million wort= h. That is the figure. That is what we’re planning on spending. ThatR= 17;s the money in the budget.

Mr. Hassard: I didn’t say anything about it being an extraordinary amount of money.<= /span>

The mi= nister said: $9.8 million for Dawson, $750,000 for Mayo, $4 million for Whitehorse, $977,000 for Old Crow, Faro was $650,000 — and I stopped writing then because I knew that I could get it from Hansard. But $9.8 million, plus the $4 million — already we’re over $13 million. I’m not sure if that’s Liberal math that the minister is talking about or what, but it certainly doesn’t appear to= be $13 million to me. Maybe the minister could clarify that again.=

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: To the member’s point, we have gone over the numbers. In= fact, this year, this government is going to be spending more than $33 milli= on on airports across the territory in capital expenses — facilities, equipment, runways and ramps. It’s the whole package.

The $12 million of spending that I outlined to you on community airports is part of that figure, but there is a lot more going on. That was community airport capital stuff. That’s for runways and lot improvements, but t= he total spending on airports across the territory is a whopping $33.8 million approximately.

Mr. Hassard: So if I go to page 14-11 in the budget document, it says: Aviation/Yukon Airpo= rts — Various Airports Projects — $12.997 million. Could the minister explain to us where we find the other $20.8 million?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I would be happy to provide a breakdown. We’re working o= ff of two different documents. I have the departmental granular stuff; the member= is working on the public budget documents. I would be more than happy to provi= de a breakdown for the members opposite to show them where they are in the budget documents.

Mr. Hassard: I am curious: Is the minister working off a different b= udget from the rest of us? How can the minister have a different document with different numbers than the Premier provided to the rest of the members of t= his Legislature as well as to the Yukon public?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: There is one budget to rule them all. That budget is the document that we are working off of together.

To cla= rify, I have said to the member opposite that we will provide an itemized list, or a list that will show the members the total spending on airports, pulling from all of the disparate line items in the budget document there. To make it ea= sier to pull from buildings maintenance and some equipment maintenance that are = in other parts of the budget, it will show a fulsome picture of what the total spending on airports is. The total spending, as I said, is a little bit more than $33 million. That is for facilities, equipment, runways, ramps, buildings, equipment and transportation stuff. A= s the member opposite knows full well from doing this job for some many years, th= ere are line items in all sorts of different categories within Highways and Pub= lic Works that relate to airports. We will endeavour to get that information to= the member opposite so that he has a more fulsome picture. It takes some of the work away from poring through the document that the member has and pulling = it from different line items.

Mr. Hassard: It is not a matter of pulling from different line items= . We have no idea how many other items there are in this budget that the minister could maybe provide us with a breakdown on — where we have no idea wh= at it is or where it is.

I gues= s it begs the question of the point of going through this process. Do we have to ask = on every line item? I guess I can do that. Transportation facilities and equip= ment went from $7.8 million to $31.364 million. Could the minister pro= vide us with a breakdown of that line item please?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Could I have the question repeated? I would be happy to answer= it for him.

Mr. Hassard: Transportation facilities and equipment — $31.364 million. Would the minister be able to give us some clarification on what that $31.364 million covers= ? In current-year budgets, we see $7.8 million and $5.8 million, so obviously there is some change there. Maybe that will answer some of the questions.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: For major upgrades, we are talking about $17.1 million. T= hat includes: $7.9 million for the Carmacks grader station; $1.5 mill= ion for the Stewart Crossing living quarters replacement; $7.4 million for= the Dawson airport maintenance facility; $100,000 for the Drury Creek living quarters replacement; $120,000 for special-waste storage sheds; $20,000 for= the Faro aerodrome maintenance garage renovations.

Under = major upgrades continued, we have $35,000 for electrical pedestal installation gr= ound service equipment parking; we have $10,000 for security walls at CARS; we h= ave camp facility maintenance of $165,000; we have operational support equipmen= t of $13,561,000, which includes operational support equipment that includes a bridge at the airport of $1.8 million; we have the air terminal buildi= ng baggage-handling system upgrade, $1.5 million; we have Canadian Air Transport Security Authority hold baggage screening recapitalization progra= m of $1.5 million; we have a 22-foot cradle boom sweeper for $1.3 mill= ion; we have a self-propelled snow blower for $1.1 million; we have a tow-behind sweeper for Whitehorse at almost $1 million; we have a single-ax= le dump truck 19-foot reversible plow for Dawson, $500,000; we have a runway sweeper for Watson Lake, $495,000; we have a tow-behind sweeper in Dawson f= or almost $500,000; we have a tow-behind sweeper for Watson Lake of almost $500,000; we have a loader-mount snow blower for Dawson at $440,000; we hav= e a loader-mount snow blower for Faro at $440,000; we have a loader-mount snow blower at Mayo for $440,000; we have a loader, a 936 size, for Mayo at $260,000; we have a single-axle dump truck with 19-foot reversible plow for Mayo at almost $250,000; we have a tractor and mower for Mayo at $185,000; = we have a Ramp Hog — it is a great thing — in Mayo for $50,000; we have bridge upgrades and repairs of $50,000; we have a paint machine for $50,000; we have an extended-cab pickup for Dawson at $45,000; we have ARF equipment at $35,000; we have a stainless-steel sander to fit a single-axle dump truck in Mayo for $35,000; we have airside maintenance equipment for $20,000; we have CARS program equipment for $10,000.

In ope= rational support continued, we have: silent witness replacement for the Dawson divis= ion fleet of $315,000; we have forklifts at $100,000; we have stainless-steel sanders at $75,000; we have purchased water pumps and trailers for $75,000;= we have an attachment for road equipment improved versatility, $55,000; purcha= sed for sweepers, $55,000; purchased shop tools and equipment, $50,000; we want= to purchase a generator 7.5-kilowatt glacial control for $27,000; there are tr= affic lights for $25,000 and plate packers for $20,000; we have storage containers for $20,000, pressure washers for $10,000, weigh-stations operations equipm= ent for $80,000, and motor vehicle operations equipment for $80,000; we have Whitehorse weigh-stations operations equipment for $60,000, and Haines Junc= tion weigh-station equipment and Cassiar for $20,000= ; we have miscellaneous projects for $180,000 — and this has to do with a = lot of ferry equipment. There are generators for Blanchard at $75,000 and upgra= des at various camps for $25,000. We will buy some life jackets for the Pelly b= arge and a life raft, which is less than $10,000. We have environmental mitigati= on of $275,000, and various electrical equipment is $150,000.

That j= ust about does it. I think that is a pretty fulsome list.

Mr. Hassard: I certainly appreciate that fairly fulsome list.

During= the briefing we had also asked for a very similar breakdown on the $17,175,000 listed under bridges, numbered highways and secondary roads. I won’t = ask the minister — if he wants to and he has that information, he could certainly provide it to the Legislature — or if we would be able to receive that information, which we were told in the briefing we would get.<= /span>

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I have the level of detail that the member opposite requires. = Under bridges and numbered highways, I have $17 million. The Nares bridge is about $7 million this year; we have $3.5 million for secondary roads, Fox Creek bridge replacement; we have $3.5 million for bridge replacement rehabilitation all over the territ= ory; we have $1.8 million for bridge and culvert inspections; we have a hal= f‑million dollars for secondary road and bridge rehabilitation.

That is basically where we are at.

Mr. Hassard: I appreciate that information, but I think it’s unfortunate that we hav= e to go about this process to get it. We had asked for it and we had hoped to ge= t it to begin with. At any rate, we have it now, so I appreciate the information= .

We kno= w from the CBC, through ATIPP-obtained documents, that the Yukon government was attemp= ting to work with the federal government to obtain money for the north Klondike Highway to the tune of $121 million. Could the minister give us an upd= ate on where that project may be?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: As was indicated in that media report, the applications have b= een made to Ottawa. We haven’t heard back yet from Ottawa; we haven’= ;t heard a decision yet on those applications. That was one of a few applicati= ons that we made to those funds.

Mr. Hassard: Would the minister be able to provide information on what the other applications = were to the federal government?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: We have totals. As the member indicated, there is: $121 m= illion for the Klondike Highway; $116 million for the Alaska Highway; $64 million for the Campbell Highway, for Ross River to Faro; $39 million for the Campbell Highway, kilometre 114 to kilometre 232; = we have safety, $41 million; ITS, $9 million. For airports, we’= ;re asking for about $70 million. There’s a lot of money in these fu= nds.

Mr. Hassard: I’m wondering if the minister has any idea on timelines as to when the federal government will get back to the Yukon government in regard to these funding applications.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: The national trade corridors fund is about $2 billion over 11 = years, from 2018 to 2028-29. Of this, $400 million will be allocated specific= ally to territorial projects. That’s money shared by all three northern territories.

We sub= mitted applications for the seven projects. The total request was for about $470 million. We chose the projects based on existing needs within our transportation network and the corridors fund evaluation criteria. We have = no idea when Ottawa is going to make a decision on those funds.

Mr. Hassard: To continue on with the Klondike Highway, we see that t= he 2017‑18 forecast was just north of $1.2 million. This year, the = line item shows $10,000. I’m wondering if the minister could tell this Hou= se what kind of work the government plans on doing to the Klondike Highway for $10,000.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I’m more than happy to provide detail on this $10,000 expenditure. It is for intersection improvements from kilometre 104 to kilometre 109. It includes reviewing intersections in the Carcross area to determine and prioritize future intersection improvements. This work builds= on previously completed highway functional planning for the Klondike Highway.<= /span>

Mr. Hassard: I’m wondering if the minister could update the House on any talks that have happened between the Yukon government and the Government of the United Stat= es in terms of Shakwak funding. Have there been any lobbying efforts? What kind of lobbying efforts have taken place in the recent past in regard to securing Shakwak funding?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: The Alaska Highway is an international corridor. It is an inte= rnational road. We were very lucky to receive support from Washington to maintain that road for many, many years. As the member opposite knows, a few years ago, t= hat money ran out and we have been running on the remainder since that point. <= /span>

Since = coming into office, the Premier has been to Washington. He has written his federal counterparts in the States; I have written my federal counterparts in Alask= a. I have spoken to the US Consul General. I spoke to federal Minister Garneau in Ottawa in February and raised this issue as one of three of grave importanc= e to the territory, and I also expressed this to Canada. We have done our work lobbying for this money.

As the= member knows, it is up to American lawmakers to see the significance of this corri= dor to Alaska to help us fund it, because it is beyond the means of this govern= ment to do that.

Mr. Hassard: I’m not sure if the minister completely understands how it works, but the Yukon government pays for the maintenance on that section of highway and we recei= ve money from the United States to pay for upgrades. The money isn’t gon= e. We still have $2 million left. That’s in this year’s budge= t, so it hasn’t been gone for a few years, as the minister said. =

In the= talks that the minister has had with counterparts in Alaska, or the talks that the Premier has had in Washington, has there been any indication that the United States government is willing to provide future funding for the Shakwak proj= ect? If not, has the Government of Yukon or the Premier explained to the United States government about the cost of this road and that it is essentially us= ed by Alaskans or residents of the United States, once you get past Beaver Cre= ek, more so than Yukoners?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Just for the record, the members opposite — the m= embers from the Official Opposition and from the Third Party — are absolutely right. There is $2 million in this budget for Shakwak, but that is old money. The funding for Shakwak ran out in the last transportation bill in t= he midst of the Obama administration. That money was in the bank; we have been drawing it down ever since. There has been no new money; the money is gone.= We have been drawing it down and, through the good work of the Department of Highways and Public Works on reconstruction, we have managed to stretch that money out through getting the most value we can from it — tendering it well and maintaining the projects well.

It has= lasted us a lot longer than most people thought it would. We have another $2 mil= lion this year and, maybe if we are lucky, we will get $50,000 or $100,000 next year. The money is out; we are not getting any more. It is not coming; it is gone. We have been drawing down the bank account ever since the last transportation bill in the Obama administration.

To ans= wer the member’s questions, yes, we have lobbied, and we will continue to lobby the federal governments — both Ottawa and Washington — to stress the import= ance of this strategic highway to Alaska. Have Alaska and Washington got the message? There is no new money for that road system in any federal or state budget.

Mr. Hassard: I am just curious then about this $400 million that the minister talked about — the request from the federal government. Would any of that mo= ney potentially be used on the Shakwak?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Yes, one of the applications is for $116 million f= or the Alaska Highway, which includes permafrost remediation, so that money is the= re. It is much broader than just the north highway, but that funding — if= it is approved — could help with that effort.

Ms. Hanson: I appreciate the Official Opposition giving the Third Party an opportunity. M= aybe we can actually get into some back-and-forth discussion and then trade off = with each other.

I woul= d like to come back and ask the minister — during the budget briefing, we asked officials, as we have with all departments, for a copy of the organization chart indicating the total number of FTEs, as well as an identification of = the number of communications staff for that department. I understand that the minister says there are more than 800 positions spread out over four divisi= ons. My point is that, as Members of the Legislative Assembly, we’re being asked to review and vote on a budget with a cumulative total of $255,017,00= 0. It seems unacceptable to ask anybody to give a blanket approval to that.

When I= go to the website, I cannot find — as the minister outlined when he did this lo= ng recitation of various projects in the current budget. We get a rollup of $17 million here, $12 million here, $31 million there — that’s not responsible. That’s not what we heard from the Premi= er, the Finance minister — that we would be getting more information, open and transparent, and that we would know what we were being asked to comment= on.

My col= league from Pelly-Nisutlin was asking questions, and it’s quite reasonable to ask: What is this? How is it being forecast? We don’t have that information, Mr. Chair.

I don&= #8217;t think that it’s humorous when the minister sort of indicates that he = will just rattle them all off and we should be satisfied with that. That’s= not the due deliberation that I expect to engage in with this minister. It̵= 7;s a $255‑million budget. If we’re going to engage in a discussion about the merits of a major project or a minor project, or whatever is being put out there, we should have that information when we walk into this room = so that we can have an informed debate; otherwise, it’s just like going = back to what at least two of us on this side of the room were subjected to for s= ix years. That’s not what we heard this government campaign on. It said = that it was going to do business differently. I take the Minister of Finance at = his word that we will have performance plans with accountability provisions in = them and that they will set out what each department is going to do, how it̵= 7;s going to do it, and what its performance outcomes and measures will be R= 12; what the metrics will be.

None o= f that is in here; none of it is on the website. I accept that’s under developm= ent, but in the meantime, Mr. Chair, I expect, as a member of the opposition and as a member of this Legislative Assembly being asked to vote on $255 mi= llion-plus in this budget alone, to have more information that just simply a rollup.

I do w= ant and I do expect to receive — I’m hoping the minister will confirm that members of the opposition will get them, as we were told we would — t= he organizational charts. I’m telling all ministers that it should be, a= t a minimum, what you give us. How are your departments and agencies organized = to deliver on what you say, in the broad rollups — the goals and objecti= ves that you set out in each of your divisions?

How ar= e you organized to achieve that, and then how do you break that down in terms of showing citizens of the territory — members of this Assembly — = how you are using those resources to achieve those broad rollup objectives that= you have at the top of each of the pages of this budget document?

So I&#= 8217;ll ask that question first, Mr. Chair.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I want to welcome the Leader of the Third Party into th= is debate formally. I appreciate it, and I am more than happy to provide any information in context and detail that the member opposite demands. That is= the job here; that is why we are here this afternoon. I take her point to heart= ; I absolutely do. This is important. To my mind, I have been looking at these budget documents for almost 30 years, and I see — in terms of the act= ual tangible documents that have been distributed — very little change fr= om past practice, and we are working to provide, to change that. It is not here yet; we will get there. I have no doubt — as the Finance minister has indicated — that we will make improvements on an annual basis to get = to a better place. Right now, in this House, I am more than happy to answer the member’s questions — whatever she wants in terms of detail on a= ny of the line items in our $200 million-plus budget in Highways and Publ= ic Works.

The or= ganization charts — the Leader of the Third Party did make that request of offic= ials during the budget lock-up and briefing. We have committed to getting those documents to the Leader of the Third Party. We are more than happy to do th= at.

The qu= estion about communications people is an outlier. I am not sure why they are looki= ng at communications, but I am more than happy to provide that. I know that the communications staff of this government — through= out government — provide a very useful service. I was once a membe= r of that cadre of people. I think they do an excellent job. The public and some politicians like to focus on communications as some sort of vestigial tail.= I hope that is not the member opposite’s opinion or reason for breaking= out the communications staff.

I think communicating with the public and communications within government is a very important service, and I know how hard the departmental staff do to provide information to members of the opposition, to the public and to us, on a daily basis. It is a very essential service and one that I highly value.

Ms. Hanson: I will remind the minister that we are dealing with the Westminster parliamen= tary system. It is not the officials who are on the floor here today — it = is the minister. He is accountable and responsible for everything here, so whe= n I ask for information, I am looking to the minister and I am looking for him = to set the direction of what he expects to be made available to the Members of= the Legislative Assembly on behalf of the citizens of the Yukon.

So whe= n I ask the question with respect to communications, I do that based on my experien= ce. I worked for 30 years with the federal government. In the last number of ye= ars, I have seen the transition from communications — which is about communicating what the functions of government were and how they were being done — to being spin doctors for the government of the day.

We hav= e asked the question consistently over the last couple of years, across budget briefings: Can you tell us about the number of communications staff? You can look this up, Mr. Chair; you can look at the increase in communications staff across government. It is not unique to the territorial government; it= has happened in the federal government and, I would daresay, in provincial governments.

It is = just a matter of interest to track the growth of a particular function and then, at some point, ministers will be accountable for — and at what cost do we focus on telling Yukoners how good things are, as opposed to showing them o= r, if it comes to a trade-off of services as we have heard already alluded to = by the Minister of Finance, we may have to make choices — then I will be pressing each one of the ministers as to why they would maintain certain functions over other functions.

ItR= 17;s a matter of information when it comes to the number of communications staff, because we have seen a transition — those of us who have been in gove= rnment for many, many years. Those of us who have prepared budgets for many years understand what I’m talking about.

The mi= nister made reference earlier to what he called “set-aside clauses”, I believe, with respect to ensuring opportunities for First Nation businesses= and development corporations, in terms of accessing — particularly when we look at a budget like Highways and Public Works, which has many opportuniti= es, potentially, with capital projects.

My que= stion for the minister is simple: Has the territorial government adopted something similar to the Procurement Strategy for Aboriginal Businesses that has been= in place for many years with the federal government? Is there a procurement strategy with respect to aboriginal businesses with the territorial governm= ent, other than the YACA provisions of the final agreements?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I will let the Leader of the Third Party know that my good colleague, the Minister of Economic Development, is more than happy to talk about some of the initiatives they are doing for procurement with First Nat= ions and working with development corporations — making sure we follow cha= pter 22 of the Umbrella Final Agreement<= /i>.

I can = provide more information from the point of view of Highways and Public Works in procurement, but I do want to roll back a few minutes to “spin doctors” and the disparaging characterization of government communica= tions people — be it here or in provinces or the federal government —= of spin doctors and spinning stuff. I know that, here in Highways and Public Works, we have four communications professionals for a department that is of massive size. They do their job professionally with an eye to providing goo= d, solid, factual information to me and the people of the territory on a daily basis — and to within government. They work exceedingly hard.<= /p>

I had = a reporter the other day commenting — because one of our communications professionals was actually providing information at 9:00 p.m. and trying to= get back to meet a reporter’s deadline. They are very professional, and I really take issue with any effort to paint the professional civil service a= nd the people working within it as “spin doctors” in the communications room. I don’t like that.

I will= leave it at that, Mr. Chair, but I do know that we have four professional communications staff in the Department of Highways and Public Works. I will= get the organizational chart for the Leader of the Third Party.

Ms. Hanson: I do look forward to getting the organizational chart. I think the minister h= as misconstrued and misrepresented what I said. I am talking about the communications function — and I said it clearly, Mr. Chair. I am talking about his responsibility as minister and it is how ministers use th= eir staff.

In my = experience — and I will speak only from my experience — one of the big life decisions for me was when I started being asked to speak on behalf of a previous federal government when a minister wasn’t available, to use language around partisan language — language that spoke about my new government — representing the minister, and I don’t think we use public servants that way. Communications people were forced to do that. I k= now many communications people in the federal system quit as a result of that k= ind of use of the professional public service. We hire them because they have t= he qualifications and they are non-partisan. They are professional public servants. I hold that very dear, Mr. Chair, and I do not accept the minister suggesting that I do not.

I aske= d the minister — aside from the YACA provisions — what policies the Y= ukon government has. The minister is responsible for procurement. I have heard t= his many times — the minister is responsible for procurement. Does the Yu= kon government have anything analogous to the procurement strategy for aborigin= al businesses?

I will= give you an example, Mr. Chair, as to why this is relevant. Several years ago, = the Department of Energy, Mines and Resources, as part of its involvement with = the Faro mine remediation project, put out a request for proposal. There were a number of submissions. Ultimately, it was given to what was called a large Canadian company. It turned out to be a multinational based out of Californ= ia called Parsons.

Now, a= number of aboriginal businesses had worked together to get that contract, because it would have benefited many, many Yukoners and many aboriginal businesses and development corporations in this territory — not corporations that are covered necessarily under chapter 22 because, if we look at who the affected First Nations are, a lot of them are non-settled First Nations.

What w= e saw as a result of the fact that we didn’t have an aboriginal procurement stra= tegy was that Parsons published on their website that the attainment of this Faro contract was giving them the advantage in the northern remediation business — and guess who has the Giant Mine?

I ask = this question for a reason, because I’m wondering whether or not, given the fact that not all Yukon First Nations have First Nation final agreements — have chapter 22 provisions — is th= ere work around an aboriginal procurement strategy? Simple.=

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: Do we have an aboriginal procurement policy? Not yet. So in an= swer to member opposite’s question, no, we don’t — but the Government of Yukon is committed to reducing barriers to First Nations and local businesses securing government contracts. We will go above and beyond= the procurement panel recommendations by incorporating Yukon First Nation governments’ perspectives and aligning with recently approved trade agreements. To help us reach these goals, we will create a new procurement policy in collaboration with industry and First Nations — and that work is ongoing, as we speak.

We have developed and published standard clauses for value-based procurements for F= irst Nation capacity building, including northern experience and northern knowle= dge. We rolled out one such contract recently down in Carcross with the Nares br= idge contract. We were working very closely with — not as a YACA absolutel= y, but we are working very closely with First Nations to improve the way we buy goods and services inside this government. We are working at the Yukon Forum and we are working directly with First Nations and First Nation chiefs and development corporations. My colleague, the Minister for Economic Developme= nt, will be more than happy to speak in detail during his budget discussions on some of the work we’re doing on that front in more detail.

Ms. Hanson: Can the minister tell this House whether he’s familiar with and has read = the infrastructure needs assessment for the Dawson City Airport, the final repo= rt? This is a 10-year capital plan and planning report, 2013 to 2023, dated Oct= ober 2013.

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I have read that, and I have read many other airport studies, besides. That was one that I did read.

Ms. Hanson: That will make our conversation more interesting. Can the minister tell this Hou= se what the 2018‑19 maintenance budget for the Dawson City Airport is?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: The operation and maintenance budget for the Dawson City Airport, according to my officials, is roughly $450,000 currently.

Ms. Hanson: What is the maintenance budget for the Watson Lake Airport?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: We don’t have that level of detail at the moment. I will= get back to the member opposite with that specific number for the Watson Lake Airport.

Ms. Hanson: The minister will remember that, when he read that report on the 2013-23 plan with respect to paving the Dawson City Airport, in 2013-14, the maintenance budget for the Dawson City Airport — with an unpaved runway — was $257,000. It was a very extensive team who worke= d on that, as the minister will recall, from all broad sectors — many peop= le from the Aviation branch of the Yukon government, plus others. They were looking at a diverse range of issues associated with the whole of the Dawson airport improvement project. The estimated maintenance cost with a paved ru= nway of comparable size and scale, they thought, was Watson Lake, so it went from $257,000 to $575,000.

What i= s the forecast estimate, because it didn’t sound to me that the 2.25 —= ; or whatever it is, the multiplier factor — was applied? We can go back into how they came with that in their study in term= s of additional costs, moving from unpaved to paved.<= /span>

The mi= nister said he is going to provide that level of detail, but does the minister agr= ee that those factors are still consistent today — that we are looking a= t a 2- to 2.25-factor increase to go from unpaved to paved?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: The information that I have just had put before me suggests th= at the estimated O&M costs of operating Dawson with a paved runway is about $1.2 million per year, which is an increase of $700,000 a year over the current budget of approximately $500,000 or $450,000. We can get more speci= fic numbers, I guess, but that is the ballpark that we have.

The me= mber opposite still wants the information for Watson Lake, which I will provide.=

Ms. Hanson: Transport Canada, I’m told, applies differing standards for gravel and paved runways — this is out of the report — as it relates to surface contaminants. From reading that report, it sounds like surface contaminants could be many different things. It says that gravel runways with packed snow have a superior aircraft braking action to that of a paved runway, with only minor snow contamination. At present, Yukon Highways and Public Works provi= des additional winter maintenance resources necessary for the airport’s runway on a priority basis, which is kind of cool, given that this is not w= hat we were told in Ross River — that airports take priority over highway= s. I would be interested to hear if that is true of all airports.

Howeve= r, if the runway were paved, Yukon’s Aviation branch would need to acquire dedicated airport maintenance equipment and vehicles, undertake additional training, retain seasonal winter maintenance staff, and procure and store chemicals with de-icing agents. In those additional O&M amounts, what additional capital costs are identified with respect to those additional co= sts that would be required for maintaining — over and above what Highways= and Public Works does now for an unpaved runway?

Hon. Mr. Mostyn: I believe the member opposite was asking for the capital costs of this enterprise. At the moment, we have the Dawson City Airport maintenance facility as one of those pieces.

There = is a lot of other equipment. In my long list, there was the single-axle dump truck w= ith 19-foot reversible plow, the tow-behind sweeper for Daw= son, and the loader-mount snow blower for Dawson. All of those pieces were part = of this infrastructure that we’ll need for the paved runway. That comes = out to, I think, a total of about $8.6 million — I think, if I’= ;ve got the math right — but we can provide some of that detail when we g= et back to the member opposite about the operations costs.

Mr.&nb= sp;Chair, seeing that the time is now 5:26 p.m., I move that you report progress.

Chair: It has been moved by Mr. Mostyn that the Chair rep= ort progress on Bill No. 206, entitled First Appropriation Act 2018‑19.

Motion agreed to

 

Hon. Ms. McPhee: I move that the Speaker do now resume the Chair.

Chair: It ha= s been moved by Ms. McPhee that the Speaker do now resume the Chair.

Motion agreed to

 

Speaker resumes the Chair<= /p>

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Speaker: I w= ill now call the House to order.

May th= e House have a report from the Chair of Committee of the Whole?

Chair’s report

Mr. Hutton: Mr. Speaker, Committee of the Whole has considered Bill No. 206, entitled First Appropriation Act 2018‑19<= /i>, and directed me to report progress.

Speaker: You= have heard the report from the Chair of Committee of the Whole.

Are yo= u agreed?

Some Hon. Members: Agreed.

Speaker: I declare the report carried.

 

Hon. Ms. McPhee: I move that the House do now adjourn

Speaker: It = has been moved by the Government House Leader that the House do now adjourn.<= /p>

Motion agreed to

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Speaker: Thi= s House now stands adjourned until 1:00 p.m. tomorrow.

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The House adjourned at 5:29 p.m.

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The= following legislative return was tabled March 19, 2018:

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Respon= se to matter outstanding from discussion with Mr. Cathers related to general debate on Vote 8, Department of Justice, in Bill No. 206, First Appropriation Act 2018‑19 (McPhee)

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